Why Continue MP3 Development Given AAC? |
Why Continue MP3 Development Given AAC? |
Dec 16 2011, 18:10
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but I am curious why there is continued development of MP3 encoding (such as LAME) when AAC is now long-known to yield superior quality for a given bit-rate (all other things being equal)?
I can sort of understand an explanation as being for the heck of it, but given that a superior method exists, why not work on improving even that instead? I'm not technolgically sophisticated enough to comment with any authority at all, so I pose the question. |
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Dec 20 2011, 20:06
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Some here are saying that MP3 is "universal." I know of no devices that won't play AAC. My iPods play it. Android plays it. My daughter's Zune plays it. In fact the Zune (and Windows Phone 7) actually plays files purchased from my iTunes account which brings me to this point: if iTunes is the number one distributor/retailer of music (QT AAC @256 Kbps VBR,) how can one logically claim that MP3 is still more universal?
...the answer is it is still more universal for those who do their own encoding. (Probably.) Moreover Amazon, and some other retailers of digital music, sell it in the MP3 format. And yes: there probably are a few players out there that won't support AAC currently. Are any of these players of significant marketshare that the vast majority would have some problem playing back an AAC file purchased from iTunes? An interesting side-note: every popular device I know of, for playing ripped videos (using Handbrake, etc.,) requires the audio to be mixed down in the AAC format. This includes the XBox 360, Playstation 3, and others. I would hate to have encoded my rips with MP3 audio and then try to find something other than VLC that will play it. So in reply to the title of the OP's post, I would say development should and will continue because more than enough people want to use MP3 and see it developed to its full potential. These codecs can coexist and do so nicely. No one should be disparaged for preferring one over the other. Choice is good. -------------------- The Loudness War is over. Now it's a hopeless occupation.
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Dec 20 2011, 23:18
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I know of no devices that won't play AAC. I know plenty. Neither of my DVD players, which are 5-10 years old, play AAC. (One of them plays OGG Vorbis, tho, which is kinda interesting.) My Nokia phone does play AAC, but not gaplessly. The program I use for playing music gaplessly on it doesn't support AAC. Many PMPs I see don't play AAC, even new ones. For example the Phillips MP3 players and MP4 players only play MP3, WAV, WMA, FLAC, APE, according to the specs. I don't have any hard numbers, but I'd say quite a significant number of devices currently in existence don't support AAC, but pretty much all of them support MP3. You have to take into account devices released some years ago as well, they are still relevant. On sound quality.. I only did some limited testing myself.. while I think AAC does sound better at 128kbps (which makes it very attractive for some uses), I'm not sure there's an audible advantage over MP3 at 200kbps (or V2 bitrates), which is kinda the standard bitrate used for music nowadays. |
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izscors Why Continue MP3 Development Given AAC? Dec 16 2011, 18:10
hlloyge AAC is, as I learned, better at lower bitrates (96... Dec 16 2011, 18:15
izscors QUOTE (hlloyge @ Dec 16 2011, 13:15) AAC ... Dec 16 2011, 18:50
hlloyge QUOTE (izscors @ Dec 16 2011, 19:50) Is i... Dec 17 2011, 13:42
saratoga QUOTE (izscors @ Dec 16 2011, 12:10) I ca... Dec 16 2011, 18:35
DVDdoug As long as there is interest and demand, and as lo... Dec 16 2011, 18:59
izscors I guess we have them both because there are styli... Dec 16 2011, 19:28
saratoga Its not really clear to me what you expect to happ... Dec 16 2011, 19:36
kode54 No, but perhaps some people may start to work on F... Dec 16 2011, 20:23
kwanbis QUOTE (izscors @ Dec 16 2011, 18:10) Plea... Dec 16 2011, 23:04
kennedyb4 Some devices do not support AAC. My friend has a n... Dec 17 2011, 03:25
marc2003 QUOTE (kennedyb4 @ Dec 17 2011, 02:25) So... Dec 17 2011, 11:06
Elbart QUOTE (marc2003 @ Dec 17 2011, 11:06) QUO... Dec 18 2011, 10:23

kwanbis QUOTE (Elbart @ Dec 18 2011, 10:23) iPods... Dec 18 2011, 18:07
Glenn Gundlach QUOTE (marc2003 @ Dec 17 2011, 02:06) tha... Dec 18 2011, 17:36
onkl The difference in quality is too small to justify ... Dec 17 2011, 07:07
halb27 With today's cheap and huge storage capacities... Dec 17 2011, 08:15
shakey_snake Because we want to be tortured by id3 tagging fore... Dec 17 2011, 15:14
odigg I know this response may make people think I'm... Dec 17 2011, 17:45
Soap QUOTE (odigg @ Dec 17 2011, 12:45) I wond... Dec 17 2011, 18:10
odigg QUOTE (Soap @ Dec 17 2011, 12:10) You don... Dec 17 2011, 18:18
lvqcl QUOTE such a focus on MP3 use and development?
Ho... Dec 17 2011, 18:21
odigg QUOTE (lvqcl @ Dec 17 2011, 12:21) How ma... Dec 17 2011, 18:28
GHammer I like MP3 because:
I've used it since I star... Dec 17 2011, 18:24
kennedyb4 I think it is very worthwhile to perfect where pos... Dec 17 2011, 18:57
izzyfinhaifa QUOTE (kennedyb4 @ Dec 17 2011, 10:57) Bu... Dec 18 2011, 14:19
pdq QUOTE (izzyfinhaifa @ Dec 18 2011, 09:19)... Dec 19 2011, 05:38
slks QUOTE (pdq @ Dec 18 2011, 22:38) QUOTE (i... Dec 20 2011, 06:43
pdq QUOTE (slks @ Dec 20 2011, 01:43) I have ... Dec 20 2011, 13:33
marc2003 oh i know that. but you still have relatively few ... Dec 18 2011, 11:57
jukkap QUOTE (marc2003 @ Dec 18 2011, 12:57) oh ... Dec 18 2011, 15:18
marc2003 QUOTE (jukkap @ Dec 18 2011, 14:18) All 3... Dec 18 2011, 21:33
MichaelW QUOTE (marc2003 @ Dec 19 2011, 08:33) 3G?... Dec 19 2011, 03:52

marc2003 QUOTE (MichaelW @ Dec 19 2011, 02:52) Oh,... Dec 19 2011, 12:47
jukkap QUOTE (marc2003 @ Dec 18 2011, 22:33) QUO... Dec 19 2011, 09:10
Porcus QUOTE (jukkap @ Dec 19 2011, 09:10) I... Dec 19 2011, 12:26
probedb QUOTE (jukkap @ Dec 19 2011, 08:10) I... Dec 19 2011, 15:35
lvqcl QUOTE (izzyfinhaifa @ Dec 18 2011, 17:19)... Dec 18 2011, 14:32
Kujibo I was once of the mindset many years ago that I wa... Dec 19 2011, 02:19
saratoga QUOTE (Kujibo @ Dec 18 2011, 20:19) So fo... Dec 19 2011, 18:51
Goratrix I would only consider moving away from mp3 if ther... Dec 19 2011, 15:30
jukkap QUOTE (Goratrix @ Dec 19 2011, 16:30) I w... Dec 19 2011, 20:59
saratoga As per our forum rules, if you are going to make c... Dec 19 2011, 21:18

jukkap QUOTE (saratoga @ Dec 19 2011, 22:18) As ... Dec 20 2011, 14:02
kwanbis QUOTE (jukkap @ Dec 19 2011, 20:59) AAC j... Dec 19 2011, 22:18
probedb QUOTE (jukkap @ Dec 19 2011, 19:59) AAC j... Dec 20 2011, 09:41
IgorC jukkap
While your AAC encoder is CBR (or "s... Dec 20 2011, 14:16
jukkap QUOTE (IgorC @ Dec 20 2011, 15:16) jukkap... Dec 21 2011, 11:59
IgorC QUOTE (jukkap @ Dec 21 2011, 07:59) Accor... Dec 21 2011, 13:30
shadowking Even 5 ~ 10 yrs ago the difference between aac and... Dec 20 2011, 15:05
greynol QUOTE (jukkap @ Dec 20 2011, 05:02) I am ... Dec 20 2011, 18:33
jukkap QUOTE (greynol @ Dec 20 2011, 19:33) QUOT... Dec 21 2011, 11:45
spoon QUOTE (jukkap @ Dec 21 2011, 10:45) I use... Dec 21 2011, 13:08
The Seeker QUOTE (spoon @ Dec 21 2011, 13:08) Ok so ... Dec 21 2011, 14:45
Nick.C QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 20 2011, 19:06) ... Dec 20 2011, 21:12

Engelsstaub QUOTE (Nick.C @ Dec 20 2011, 14:12) QUOTE... Dec 20 2011, 21:45

GHammer QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 20 2011, 16:45) ... Dec 21 2011, 03:48

Engelsstaub QUOTE (GHammer @ Dec 20 2011, 20:48) My n... Dec 21 2011, 04:03


GHammer QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 20 2011, 23:03) ... Dec 21 2011, 04:47

Soap QUOTE (GHammer @ Dec 20 2011, 21:48) My n... Dec 21 2011, 04:21

MichaelW QUOTE (Brand @ Dec 21 2011, 10:18) Many P... Dec 20 2011, 23:25
onkl QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 21 2011, 05:02) ... Dec 21 2011, 09:38
Engelsstaub QUOTE (onkl @ Dec 21 2011, 02:38) ...so w... Dec 21 2011, 10:19
nu774 When coupling with H264, usually AAC is used (sinc... Dec 21 2011, 11:42
IgorC I have a question who really has performed ABX tes... Dec 20 2011, 20:56
halb27 QUOTE (IgorC @ Dec 20 2011, 20:56) .....
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IgorC QUOTE (halb27 @ Dec 20 2011, 18:00) Sure ... Dec 20 2011, 23:45
halb27 QUOTE (IgorC @ Dec 20 2011, 23:45) QUOTE ... Dec 21 2011, 01:47
Woodinville Well, there has also been a very nasty mess in the... Dec 21 2011, 00:01
IgorC Can You provide the results where You have compare... Dec 21 2011, 02:59
halb27 QUOTE (IgorC @ Dec 21 2011, 02:59) Can Yo... Dec 21 2011, 10:42
nu774 Cell phones in Japan used to support AAC in 3gp/3g... Dec 21 2011, 03:47
Engelsstaub I was only wondering if it was possible. If it sup... Dec 21 2011, 05:02
saratoga QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 20 2011, 23:02) ... Dec 21 2011, 06:41

MichaelW QUOTE (saratoga @ Dec 21 2011, 17:41) Yes... Dec 21 2011, 07:36

saratoga QUOTE (MichaelW @ Dec 21 2011, 01:36) QUO... Dec 21 2011, 21:07

Engelsstaub QUOTE (saratoga @ Dec 21 2011, 14:07) ...... Dec 22 2011, 02:36

MichaelW QUOTE (saratoga @ Dec 22 2011, 08:07) On ... Dec 22 2011, 06:33

MichaelW QUOTE (saratoga @ Dec 22 2011, 08:07) On ... Dec 22 2011, 06:57

Soap QUOTE (MichaelW @ Dec 22 2011, 00:57) of ... Dec 22 2011, 13:45
greynol QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Dec 20 2011, 20:02) ... Dec 21 2011, 06:55
greynol Pretending Apple never came into play, you don... Dec 21 2011, 08:38
IgorC I mean the comparison of different versions of LAM... Dec 21 2011, 11:33
spoon Thanks, you have learned that to me now Dec 21 2011, 14:48
The Seeker QUOTE (spoon @ Dec 21 2011, 14:48) Thanks... Dec 21 2011, 20:28
db1989 I see what he did there… Dec 21 2011, 20:38
shakey_snake Glad to see my earlier comment went appreciated.
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IgorC Also Microsoft fully supports standards LC-AAC/HE... Dec 22 2011, 14:08
hernaaan Perhaps the one who started the topic wanted to sa... Dec 22 2011, 14:58
lvqcl QUOTE (hernaaan @ Dec 22 2011, 17:58) peo... Dec 22 2011, 15:59
nu774 I think there's some truth in "AAC=Apple... Dec 22 2011, 15:55
apodtele The virtue of MP3 is its simplicity compared to WM... Dec 22 2011, 19:00
Soap QUOTE (apodtele @ Dec 22 2011, 13:00) The... Dec 22 2011, 19:26
kwanbis QUOTE (Soap @ Dec 22 2011, 19:26) Dare I ... Dec 22 2011, 19:38
Soap QUOTE (kwanbis @ Dec 22 2011, 13:38) QUOT... Dec 22 2011, 19:43
kwanbis QUOTE (Soap @ Dec 22 2011, 19:43) And dar... Dec 22 2011, 21:02
greynol QUOTE (apodtele @ Dec 22 2011, 10:00) The... Dec 22 2011, 20:30![]() ![]() |
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