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Antigen
post Jan 5 2012, 20:17
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Hi to all,

I think that here there is some audiophile...

Do you use AAC file on your HIFI or only lossless (FLAC/ALAC) or CD Audio?

Actually i'm trying to make a good ABX and I admit... I can't find difference with the MP3/AAC file and CD... I don't find differences.


What is your experience?

Do you use AAC file on a 1.000 dollars HiFi system or you will prefer FLAC?

Thanks
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LocrianGroove
post Jan 7 2012, 07:33
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I usually play FLAC when I'm listening to music on my computer, so I can avoid maintaining a separate lossy library. It's easier for me to edit a cue sheet if I find an incorrect spelling and be done with it. I also save hard disk space by not keeping extra lossy files.

I also encoded most of my collection in ALAC for my newer iPod, because I had the space on it, and there was a certain novelty in having my lossless collection on a portable player. I encoded to AAC for my older iPod, so I could fit everything. Of course the iPods sound the same, but that's not the point in my decision making. For me, there's just something fun about playing back the lossless files when I can.
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Antigen
post Jan 7 2012, 14:20
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I think that actually:

- for portable use (iPod/Car... the AAC/MP3 is good)

- for home/hifi use: I think that actually FLAC is the best solution

Why?

Because I think that if we can't hear the differences between an AAC and a FLAC is not very important, but at home we can use the best "source" for our audio.

And today the cost of an hard disk is very low, and the advantage of lossless is high, we can have the same quality of the CD forever.

The portable way... is a different situation and I think that for an iPod we can use 256 kbps AAC without problem.
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post Jan 16 2012, 00:45
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QUOTE (Antigen @ Jan 7 2012, 06:20) *
Because I think that if we can't hear the differences between an AAC and a FLAC is not very important, but at home we can use the best "source" for our audio.


And? That contradicts what you are saying. In other words, you are expressing the thought of "who cares if you can't hear a difference, just go with lossless because it is the best quality!" That doesn't make much sense especially if you are going to bring in the listening test argument. If one cannot hear a difference between a lossy and lossless file, then there is no need for them to playback the lossless content anywhere. It doesn't matter if they have access to a higher quality source since they won't need it for listening purposes. Having lossless files and playing them "just because" is not a good enough reason.

I am well aware of the benefits that lossless encoding offers. I rip all of my CDs to ALAC for archive purposes so that I will never have to rip them again. I can easily convert my ALAC files to AAC, mp3, FLAC, WavPack, or any number of different lossy and lossless files. That way, when Apple updates their AAC encoder in iTunes/QuickTime, I can delete my current lossy files and re-encode my lossless sources. That a huge benefit and cuts down on the wear that my optical drive would otherwise go through re-ripping thousands of CDs over and over again. I can also understand that some people are capable of properly ABXing source lossy material to lossy variants. So, for them, it would make sense to playback their lossless content over lossy versions. However, if someone continually fails blind ABX tests between lossy and lossless content, there is no reason for them to playback the lossless content.
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post Feb 10 2012, 13:56
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QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jan 16 2012, 00:45) *
And? That contradicts what you are saying. In other words, you are expressing the thought of "who cares if you can't hear a difference, just go with lossless because it is the best quality!" That doesn't make much sense especially if you are going to bring in the listening test argument. If one cannot hear a difference between a lossy and lossless file, then there is no need for them to playback the lossless content anywhere. It doesn't matter if they have access to a higher quality source since they won't need it for listening purposes. Having lossless files and playing them "just because" is not a good enough reason.


And why would I play lossy files when I have lossless source?
You are too narrow minded about this. I have vast collection of audio CDs, which I've ripped and put away; I have FLAC files on my HDD which is connected to media center, and mp3's and m4a's of them on internal HDD in computer, so I don't have to transcode every time when I put music on iPod.
Giving that I can't ABX 160 kbit mp3 from FLAC, do you really think I should stop listening to FLACs and listen to lossy encodes? Why should I do that? I already have lossless files, so why should I listen to lossy at home?

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- Antigen   An Audiophile Use AAC file?   Jan 5 2012, 20:17
- - DVDdoug   If you can't hear the difference on an average...   Jan 5 2012, 20:42
|- - greynol   QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Jan 5 2012, 11:42) Howev...   Jan 5 2012, 21:13
|- - C.R.Helmrich   I thought the same but then realized he probably m...   Jan 5 2012, 21:55
||- - greynol   If you own an inexpensive sound system, why not di...   Jan 5 2012, 22:01
|- - andy o   QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 5 2012, 12:13) QUOTE...   Jan 6 2012, 04:17
- - Antigen   I have talked with a "aduiofanatic" I ...   Jan 5 2012, 20:54
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Antigen @ Jan 5 2012, 19:54) I hav...   Jan 5 2012, 22:49
- - nesf   Don't know if I'd consider myself an audio...   Jan 5 2012, 23:35
|- - Pete7874   QUOTE (nesf @ Jan 5 2012, 16:35) But, to ...   Jan 15 2012, 17:47
- - LocrianGroove   I usually play FLAC when I'm listening to musi...   Jan 7 2012, 07:33
|- - Antigen   I think that actually: - for portable use (iPod/C...   Jan 7 2012, 14:20
|- - brownianm   QUOTE (Antigen @ Jan 7 2012, 14:20) I thi...   Jan 15 2012, 21:48
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (Antigen @ Jan 7 2012, 06:20) Becau...   Jan 16 2012, 00:45
|- - Antigen   I think that FLAC is a good solution only because ...   Feb 10 2012, 11:23
|- - hlloyge   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jan 16 2012, 00:45...   Feb 10 2012, 13:56
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (hlloyge @ Feb 10 2012, 05:56) And ...   Feb 11 2012, 15:59
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Feb 11 2012, 15:59...   Feb 11 2012, 16:44
- - greynol   Hearing test tones above 17kHz does not necessaril...   Jan 15 2012, 19:03
- - Ouroboros   Definitely placebo effect. If you can't double...   Feb 10 2012, 13:53
- - kennedyb4   I have difficulty with AAC at 96kbps. Having said...   Feb 10 2012, 14:05
- - brunoleiteb   But hey, even if it's a placebo, it works righ...   Feb 10 2012, 14:17
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (brunoleiteb @ Feb 10 2012, 14:17) ...   Feb 10 2012, 14:34
- - IgorC   QUOTE (Antigen @ Jan 5 2012, 16:17) Do yo...   Feb 10 2012, 15:25
|- - Antigen   Today I have tried to do an ABX test with good hea...   Feb 10 2012, 16:46
|- - Ouroboros   What your girlfriend heard or didn't hear (...   Feb 10 2012, 16:53
|- - Antigen   The log of the ABX test is very simple: - 0 track...   Feb 10 2012, 16:57
|- - Zarggg   QUOTE (Antigen @ Feb 10 2012, 10:57) The ...   Feb 10 2012, 18:50
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Antigen @ Feb 10 2012, 07:57) she ...   Feb 13 2012, 21:45
- - Canar   Let's not be legalistic about ABX logs. He can...   Feb 10 2012, 16:56
- - Ouroboros   No. No no no no no! If your girlfriend couldn...   Feb 10 2012, 18:52
- - Antigen   Sorry, I had created some confusion. The conclusi...   Feb 10 2012, 19:48
- - SHiV   Hi guys !! I am usually a lurker here, but...   Feb 13 2012, 21:35
|- - Ron Jones   QUOTE (SHiV @ Feb 13 2012, 13:35) I reall...   Feb 14 2012, 20:31
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|- - Antigen   But if you consider accetable use AAC versus CD......   Feb 28 2012, 01:33
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