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24 bit vinyl clips, Examples of 24 bit vinyl and bit-reduced versions
Gretschguy
post Feb 15 2012, 19:03
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Attached are several clips for vinyl rips, each in (24/48) and (16/44.1) -- I have many more but 7 I filled up my attachment space.

I used Izotope's SRC and MBit+ algorithms to do the conversion, I converted sample rate first and then bit rate.

The rips were done using Thorens Turntable, Lyra Delos cartride, Parasound phono pre, Burl B2 ADC, Lynx AES16 card, Pure Vinyl software.

If anyone has better conversion technology than Izotope I would be interested to hear those samples for my own comparison, as a practical matter I would like to have the best possible bit reduced versions in my library in addition to my 24 bit versions.

If anyone is interested in specific notes on what I'm hearing as the differences in my playback system then let me know.

The sources are:

Dire Straits "Romeo And Juliet"
Prefab Sprout "Faron Young"
Yes "Roundabout"
The National "Bloodbuzz Ohio"
Cat Stevens "Father And Son"
Roxy Music "Running Wild"
John Lennon "Mind Games"

Thanks for checking these out.




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Attached File  Faron_Young__30s___24_48_.wav ( 7.9MB ) Number of downloads: 148
Attached File  Father_And_Son__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.17MB ) Number of downloads: 88
Attached File  Running_Wild__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.27MB ) Number of downloads: 71
Attached File  Romeo_And_Juliet__30s___24_48_.wav ( 6.98MB ) Number of downloads: 154
Attached File  Father_And_Son__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.37MB ) Number of downloads: 88
Attached File  Roundabout__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.53MB ) Number of downloads: 71
Attached File  Roundabout__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.27MB ) Number of downloads: 59
Attached File  Bloodbuzz_Ohio__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.37MB ) Number of downloads: 73
Attached File  Bloodbuzz_Ohio__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.16MB ) Number of downloads: 60
Attached File  Mind_Games__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.05MB ) Number of downloads: 57
Attached File  Mind_Games__30s___24_48_.wav ( 8.24MB ) Number of downloads: 75
Attached File  Faron_Young__30s___16_44_.wav ( 4.88MB ) Number of downloads: 76
Attached File  Running_Wild__30s___16_44_.wav ( 5.11MB ) Number of downloads: 73
Attached File  Romeo_And_Juliet__30s___16_44_.wav ( 4.31MB ) Number of downloads: 103
 
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Wombat
post Feb 15 2012, 20:44
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I gave this Faron Young sample a try and played it on my main system. So far it didnīt impress me. Sounds like some mediocore recording with not to much detail and even lack of fine highs.
I couldnīt find the 16bit version sounding different by simply switching between the 2 but i didnīt try much there.
Will be interesting what the others have to say.
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Gretschguy
post Feb 15 2012, 21:57
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QUOTE (Wombat @ Feb 15 2012, 20:44) *
I gave this Faron Young sample a try and played it on my main system. So far it didnīt impress me. Sounds like some mediocore recording with not to much detail and even lack of fine highs.
I couldnīt find the 16bit version sounding different by simply switching between the 2 but i didnīt try much there.
Will be interesting what the others have to say.


Wombat, thanks for checking it out. I hear plenty of highs on Faron Young, make sure your tone controls are all neutral and no surround processing is set on. You also might want to check out "Romeo and Juliet" if you want to give another one a try.

On Faron Young specifically, take a close listen to the bass line -- do you hear the individual notes of the bass line exactly the same on the two versions. Does one version spell out the bass individual bass notes better? Do you hear all the instruments on the same plane in both versions or does one version have more front to back dimension in which the instruments widen out and take on more definition. Just a couple things to look for on a recording like this one that has a lot of going on at a fast pace. This one measures close to 20dB between LEQ and peak per AudioLeak. You might want to try compressing it down to 12 dB or so if you have compression software and see if that sounds more modern and perhaps to your liking.
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post Feb 15 2012, 22:09
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QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 12:57) *
Does one version spell out the bass individual bass notes better? Do you hear all the instruments on the same plane in both versions or does one version have more front to back dimension in which the instruments widen out and take on more definition. Just a couple things to look for on a recording like this one that has a lot of going on at a fast pace.

Is it just me or does this sound like the same old placebo-based audiophile subjectivism that upon which this forum deeply frowns?

Let's see some ABX test results before we go traipsing off into pseudo-scientific woo land, m'kay?

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post Feb 15 2012, 22:28
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QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 15 2012, 22:09) *
QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 12:57) *
Does one version spell out the bass individual bass notes better? Do you hear all the instruments on the same plane in both versions or does one version have more front to back dimension in which the instruments widen out and take on more definition. Just a couple things to look for on a recording like this one that has a lot of going on at a fast pace.

Is it just me or does this sound like the same old placebo-based audiophile subjectivism that upon which this forum deeply frowns?

Let's see some ABX test results before we go traipsing off into pseudo-scientific woo land, m'kay?


Greynol, I apologize, I don't mean to bring the forum down a few notches -- I suggested those as things to listen for -- it could very well be that sampling errors and conversion errors are causing that difference -- it could very well be that my DAC does something different with 16 than 24 bits. I thought it would be helpful to provide some context to what I'm hearing, maybe smart folks can pinpoint it and say "aha, this guy is hearing dithering noise.." or whatever...

I can try to setup some kind of AB test myself, sounds like you won't trust my results -- I use an entirely Burmester sound system not a computer card so I would have to sort out a way to do that. I think I can random shuffle the playback on my system and see how I score that way.

To be clear, you do not want me to reference the specifics of what I'm hearing -- even if I freely admit that what I'm hearing could be due to any number of distortions, bias', conversion problems, etc... You want me to just not express it at all right?

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- Gretschguy   24 bit vinyl clips   Feb 15 2012, 19:03
- - Wombat   It shouldnīt be of any advantage to use iZotope di...   Feb 15 2012, 19:35
- - Wombat   I gave this Faron Young sample a try and played it...   Feb 15 2012, 20:44
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (Wombat @ Feb 15 2012, 20:44) I gav...   Feb 15 2012, 21:57
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 12:57) D...   Feb 15 2012, 22:09
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 15 2012, 22:09) QUOT...   Feb 15 2012, 22:28
- - pdq   An interesting experiment for Gretschguy to perfor...   Feb 15 2012, 21:09
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 15 2012, 21:09) An inter...   Feb 15 2012, 21:43
- - pdq   From the website for the DAC, it appears that it d...   Feb 15 2012, 21:52
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 15 2012, 21:52) From the...   Feb 15 2012, 22:00
- - greynol   Let there be no doubt that any audible differences...   Feb 15 2012, 22:02
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 15 2012, 22:02) Let ...   Feb 15 2012, 22:17
- - greynol   It's readily accepted that best practice is to...   Feb 15 2012, 22:21
- - Wombat   QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 21:57) W...   Feb 15 2012, 22:31
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (Wombat @ Feb 15 2012, 23:31) QUOTE...   Feb 15 2012, 22:40
- - greynol   If you cannot demonstrate that what you're hea...   Feb 15 2012, 22:35
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 15 2012, 23:35) If y...   Feb 15 2012, 22:41
- - AndyH-ha   What are you asking for? Do you have a problem to ...   Feb 15 2012, 22:39
- - mixminus1   @Gretschguy, a couple questions: 1) You said earl...   Feb 15 2012, 22:55
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Feb 15 2012, 22:55) @G...   Feb 15 2012, 23:27
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 15 2012, 14:27) M...   Feb 15 2012, 23:33
- - greynol   He could just up-convert to the highest bit depth/...   Feb 15 2012, 23:16
- - xnor   Thanks for the samples. A simple analysis showed t...   Feb 16 2012, 00:31
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (xnor @ Feb 16 2012, 01:31) Thanks ...   Feb 16 2012, 03:49
- - mjb2006   I wouldn't worry about using SoX. Izotope...   Feb 16 2012, 03:43
|- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Feb 16 2012, 04:43) I wo...   Feb 16 2012, 03:51
- - cliveb   OK, I have listened to Gretschguy's vinyl clip...   Feb 16 2012, 10:17
- - 2Bdecided   Sorry to reply a third time! I've been en...   Feb 20 2012, 14:34
- - Gretschguy   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 20 2012, 15:34) So...   Feb 21 2012, 03:24


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