High Playback Sampling Frequencies, Why are they becoming popular? |
High Playback Sampling Frequencies, Why are they becoming popular? |
Feb 17 2012, 16:25
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OK, at the risk of sounding completely stupid?
Why do people listen to music with high sampling frequencies? What is 88k+ providing them? I understand why you might record at a high sampling rate, but why keep that for playback? Looking through the FAQ, there are threads from 2003 that point out that the sampling frequency and bit-dept work in tandem. So the quantisation error of 16bit at 44.1k has the opportunity to be corrected sooner at a higher sampling rate, so in some ways is like a dithering pattern. However given noise introduced in the analogue systems required to listen to music, a SNR within a 16bit signal of ~96dB seems pretty good. So assuming that speakers struggle to produce the sounds that a 192k sampling frequency allow (eg 96kHz) and assuming that 16bits were sufficient when compared to the analogue equipment in the system, what have I missed in these high sampling playback formats? |
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Feb 19 2012, 15:14
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I'm still confused as to why studios use really high sampling frequencies. I have a vague understanding of why higher bit depths might be needed for adujsting levels, but I don't get why they need higher sampling rates.
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Feb 20 2012, 20:01
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I'm still confused as to why studios use really high sampling frequencies. I have a vague understanding of why higher bit depths might be needed for adujsting levels, but I don't get why they need higher sampling rates. Because even professional recording engineers can be subject to the same magical thinking and lack of scientific rigor we commonly see among audiophiles. It's just as easy to start a religious war about this stuff in a recording forum as it is in a hi-fi forum. --Ethan -------------------- I believe in Truth, Justice, and the Scientific Method
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icstm High Playback Sampling Frequencies Feb 17 2012, 16:25
Prince Of All Saiyans I'm not totally sure, but recalling my ever-so... Feb 17 2012, 16:37
dhromed QUOTE (Prince Of All Saiyans @ Feb 17 2012, 1... Feb 17 2012, 16:55
greynol QUOTE (Prince Of All Saiyans @ Feb 17 2012, 0... Feb 17 2012, 17:19

Prince Of All Saiyans QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 17 2012, 17:19) QUOT... Feb 17 2012, 17:53
pawelq QUOTE (Prince Of All Saiyans @ Feb 17 2012, 1... Feb 17 2012, 19:05
icstm QUOTE (pawelq @ Feb 17 2012, 18:05) 10 or... Feb 18 2012, 00:27
dhromed QUOTE (icstm @ Feb 17 2012, 16:25) what h... Feb 17 2012, 16:51
pdq People sell music with higher sampling rates for t... Feb 17 2012, 16:52
Prince Of All Saiyans Exactly. That's why you see headphones with fr... Feb 17 2012, 16:56
saratoga QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Feb 19 2012, 0... Feb 19 2012, 23:12

Walter_Odington For producing sound/music then higher bit depths a... Feb 20 2012, 00:52

saratoga QUOTE (Walter_Odington @ Feb 19 2012, 18... Feb 20 2012, 01:08


Walter_Odington QUOTE (saratoga @ Feb 20 2012, 00:08) I d... Feb 20 2012, 01:33


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saratoga QUOTE (Walter_Odington @ Feb 19 2012, 19... Feb 20 2012, 02:06

Ron Jones QUOTE (Walter_Odington @ Feb 19 2012, 16... Feb 20 2012, 03:37
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knutinh QUOTE (Ron Jones @ Feb 20 2012, 21:46) De... Feb 20 2012, 21:24

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Ron Jones @ Feb 20 2012, 14:46) QU... Feb 21 2012, 13:43

Ethan Winer QUOTE (Ron Jones @ Feb 20 2012, 14:46) De... Feb 23 2012, 20:04

Walter_Odington Loved food does generally taste better. Now define... Feb 23 2012, 21:27

rick.hughes QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Feb 23 2012, 14:04) ... Feb 24 2012, 14:45
saratoga QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Feb 20 2012, 14:01) ... Feb 20 2012, 22:23
Woodinville QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Feb 20 2012, 11:01) ... Feb 21 2012, 18:12
Ethan Winer QUOTE (Woodinville @ Feb 21 2012, 12:12) ... Feb 21 2012, 19:24
Walter_Odington I see I have walked in to the lions den!
I... Feb 20 2012, 02:34
greynol QUOTE (Walter_Odington @ Feb 19 2012, 17... Feb 20 2012, 02:49
saratoga QUOTE (Walter_Odington @ Feb 19 2012, 20... Feb 20 2012, 02:52
Walter_Odington I think I've misunderestimated the amount of e... Feb 20 2012, 02:56
saratoga QUOTE (Walter_Odington @ Feb 19 2012, 20... Feb 20 2012, 03:09
Walter_Odington Saratoga, just seen your latest. I appreciate I ne... Feb 20 2012, 03:09
saratoga QUOTE (Walter_Odington @ Feb 19 2012, 21... Feb 20 2012, 03:22
IgorC QUOTE (saratoga @ Feb 19 2012, 23:22) The... Feb 20 2012, 03:50
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Walter_Odington QUOTE (saratoga @ Feb 20 2012, 04:59) QUO... Feb 23 2012, 06:37
saratoga QUOTE (Walter_Odington @ Feb 23 2012, 00... Feb 23 2012, 07:27
Walter_Odington Your right that my understanding is limited given ... Feb 20 2012, 04:53
wakibaki Just as an aside, bit depths and sampling rates ar... Feb 20 2012, 05:14
saratoga QUOTE (wakibaki @ Feb 19 2012, 23:14) The... Feb 20 2012, 06:09

knutinh QUOTE (saratoga @ Feb 20 2012, 07:09) QUO... Feb 20 2012, 08:34
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (wakibaki @ Feb 19 2012, 23:14) The... Feb 21 2012, 13:51
Woodinville QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 21 2012, 04... Feb 21 2012, 18:14
wakibaki QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 21 2012, 12... Feb 22 2012, 02:57
saratoga QUOTE (wakibaki @ Feb 21 2012, 20:57) I l... Feb 22 2012, 03:54
wakibaki QUOTE (saratoga @ Feb 22 2012, 02:54) No ... Feb 22 2012, 04:44

knutinh QUOTE (wakibaki @ Feb 22 2012, 05:44) I u... Feb 22 2012, 07:59
Ethan Winer QUOTE (saratoga @ Feb 21 2012, 21:54) No ... Feb 22 2012, 18:42
db1989 QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Feb 22 2012, 17:42) ... Feb 22 2012, 18:50
icstm As I wrote the OP, I am going to wade in here
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zaentzpantz QUOTE (icstm @ Feb 17 2012, 15:25) OK, at... Feb 20 2012, 12:02
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (zaentzpantz @ Feb 20 2012, 06:02) ... Feb 20 2012, 14:06
icstm QUOTE (zaentzpantz @ Feb 20 2012, 11:02) ... Feb 20 2012, 14:43
2Bdecided People are selling music in high sample rates and ... Feb 20 2012, 12:21
knutinh QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 20 2012, 13:21) ..... Feb 20 2012, 15:17
IgorC QUOTE (knutinh @ Feb 20 2012, 11:17) QUOT... Feb 20 2012, 18:20
WernerO QUOTE (zaentzpantz @ Feb 20 2012, 12:02) ... Feb 20 2012, 15:22
greynol Have we conveniently forgotten that CD players com... Feb 20 2012, 17:05
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 20 2012, 11:05) Have... Feb 20 2012, 18:19
icstm QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 20 2012, 16:05) Have... Feb 20 2012, 17:19
saratoga QUOTE (icstm @ Feb 20 2012, 11:19) QUOTE ... Feb 20 2012, 17:35
xnor QUOTE (icstm @ Feb 20 2012, 17:19) In fac... Feb 20 2012, 17:30
greynol Right, I see that we were talking about removal of... Feb 20 2012, 17:33
icstm QUOTE (xnor @ Feb 20 2012, 16:30) QUOTE (... Feb 22 2012, 15:13
wakibaki QUOTE (icstm @ Feb 22 2012, 14:13) ...the... Feb 22 2012, 15:49
xnor QUOTE (icstm @ Feb 22 2012, 15:13) My und... Feb 22 2012, 15:41
icstm [In response to the above post:] That is what I wa... Feb 23 2012, 11:00
greynol Let's keep this on-topic, please. Feb 23 2012, 22:17
Prince Of All Saiyans Magical thinking at its best...
http://www.musica... Feb 24 2012, 17:10
2Bdecided QUOTE (Prince Of All Saiyans @ Feb 24 2012, 1... Feb 24 2012, 18:34
Ethan Winer ^^^ LOL at this in particular:
"a new 66 bit... Feb 24 2012, 18:36
pdq It's funny, the rest of their specs seem reaso... Feb 24 2012, 18:45
icstm We now have an ANSWER!! Mar 7 2012, 15:21![]() ![]() |
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