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World's First Flash Based MPC Player
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post May 13 2003, 14:40
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QUOTE (c.b.2000 @ May 13 2003 - 12:28 AM)
first 128MB, cost < RMB 1500
also has a Smart Media Card slot, so 256MB max now
not big enough to support lossless.
when we consider 512MB, lossless will be considered also.

Go with Secure Digital and right now you'll be able to go for 512MB. As a side benefit, SD cards can be used in PDA's.
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QUOTE (c.b.2000 @ May 13 2003 - 07:28 AM)
first 128MB, cost < RMB 1500
also has a Smart Media Card slot, so 256MB max now
not big enough to support lossless.
when we consider 512MB, lossless will be considered also.

I can't undestand the SmartMedia choice. This format is now stopped ; 128 Mb is the maximum ; robustness isn't very good (I killed some of mine). Why not Compact Flash ? There are universal, very cheap (256 MB cards are reasonably priced, and you can store 2h30 at insane profile), robust...
SD cards, MMC, Xd... are smaller than SmartMedia.

Are there some licensing issues ?
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post May 13 2003, 14:44
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Why Smart Media? I have money tied up in CF for my digital camera.


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post May 13 2003, 14:45
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Compact Flash indeed, and with that, support for Microdrive is not distant.


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post May 13 2003, 14:53
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I though microdrive would work on any Type II CF ???
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post May 13 2003, 14:58
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Thank you for the news, c.b.2000! smile.gif
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post May 13 2003, 15:17
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Compact Flash would be good, but it's bigger and *supposedly* draws more power. I'm certainly not against using CF, but the world is moving towards smaller cards and SD fits that mould nicely.
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post May 13 2003, 15:20
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QUOTE (clintb @ May 13 2003 - 03:17 PM)
Compact Flash would be good, but it's bigger and *supposedly* draws more power.  I'm certainly not against using CF, but the world is moving towards smaller cards and SD fits that mould nicely.

If you want small, the future is mini-SD, or RS-MMC
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Left to right: CF, Smartmedia, SD, xD.

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post May 13 2003, 15:43
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QUOTE (DonP @ May 13 2003 - 08:33 PM)
What is meant by "vorbis(limited)"?

I thought I read that mpc is still subject to some change, so is
updateable firmware required?

vorbis support limited to libVorbis I 20020717 32-48khz, >=64kbps
firmware can be updated throught usb port.
aac support need Dolby license.
CF is bigger and need nore power
MMC is expencive than SMC
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post May 13 2003, 15:52
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This sounds very cool for an MPC --quality 5 --xlevel user like me, especially if it manages to play gaplessly between files. No need to transcode, just put 2 or 3 albums on the portable and go. (And given that my current portable is an old Sony MD Walkman, with 74 minutes per disc, this would be a step up)

100dB SNR sounds good if there's no low-level hiss when playing it quietly and/or with high sensitivity headphones.

The one thing I didn't see that I'd really want is ReplayGain support (from APEv2 tag and vorbiscomment, with selectable Album or Track Gain mode). If it had that (it would only need to read the tags I've added in Foobar2000 and apply the correct volume change - it wouldn't have to scan files to calculate their loudness), then I'd be utterly smitten!

I'd been thinking that my ideal portable might end up being something that would run Foobar2000 on a portable or a pocket PC with a good DAC and good audio circuitry, as nobody else seemed willing to make one with the features and format I want. If that would also support foo_crossfeed.dll for listening on headphones/earphones (or implement crossfeed in hardware), and would support playlists of my favourite compilations, I'd be completely satisfied.

Getting more far-fetched... Ideally the "front end" would also be lightweight and detachable from the media device so it could be upgraded to a large but bulkier hard disk (great for recording, if it has a good line-in and ADC), could use light and small compact flash or smart media (great for casual use and while running/cycling if it's light enough), or could support CD or DVD media or perhaps even MiniDisc discs, or could even have storage devices shaped like audio cassettes so you can play it in car tape decks etc. (there's already a flash MP3 player in the UK, carrying BT's brand that looks like and acts as a cassette as well as having its own headphone jack). Preferably these storage media would also be capable of daisychaining (each plugs into the previous one) so you can transfer files between them. And preferably it could also be used to transfer files to and from computers.

But if this thing has all I need for great sound, I'd be very happy with that, so I look forward to finding out.
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post May 13 2003, 16:05
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QUOTE (clintb @ May 13 2003 - 09:17 AM)
Compact Flash would be good, but it's bigger and *supposedly* draws more power.  I'm certainly not against using CF, but the world is moving towards smaller cards and SD fits that mould nicely.

Yeah but the problem with these smaller cards is that the capacity just really isn't there yet. I have 512mb CF card and would get a bigger one if there was an mpc CF based player. The largest Smart Media card I have been able to find is 128MB. since my MPC files have been averaging about 6-7MB that is only about 18-21 songs. Hardly worth it except for the thrill of finally someone making a hardware mpc device.


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post May 13 2003, 16:07
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QUOTE (clintb @ May 13 2003 - 08:40 AM)
QUOTE (c.b.2000 @ May 13 2003 - 12:28 AM)
first 128MB, cost < RMB 1500
also has a Smart Media Card slot, so 256MB max now
not big enough to support lossless.
when we consider 512MB, lossless will be considered also.

Go with Secure Digital and right now you'll be able to go for 512MB. As a side benefit, SD cards can be used in PDA's.

Who makes the 512 SD cards? I have only seen 256 right now.


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post May 13 2003, 16:11
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QUOTE (wynlyndd @ May 13 2003 - 07:07 AM)
QUOTE (clintb @ May 13 2003 - 08:40 AM)
QUOTE (c.b.2000 @ May 13 2003 - 12:28 AM)
first 128MB, cost < RMB 1500
also has a Smart Media Card slot, so 256MB max now
not big enough to support lossless.
when we consider 512MB, lossless will be considered also.

Go with Secure Digital and right now you'll be able to go for 512MB. As a side benefit, SD cards can be used in PDA's.

Who makes the 512 SD cards? I have only seen 256 right now.

e.g. here,
found by this google search.

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QUOTE (wynlyndd @ May 13 2003 - 07:22 AM)
Slap me with a wet noodle.

LOL

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QUOTE (tigre @ May 13 2003 - 10:11 AM)
QUOTE (wynlyndd @ May 13 2003 - 07:07 AM)

Who makes the 512 SD cards? I have only seen 256 right now.

e.g. here,
found by this google search.

okay duh...ya got me...i went to a couple of manufacturers sites but hadn't done a google search. Slap me with a wet noodle.

Wow...alot more expensive than a 512MB CF. i guess it's a trade off in size and power consumption...


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post May 13 2003, 16:56
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CF II support would be nice, even if my batteries don't last that long. I already own a microdrive so it would be be nice to use it in the player!
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QUOTE (c.b.2000 @ May 13 2003 - 09:43 AM)
vorbis support limited to libVorbis I 20020717 32-48khz, >=64kbps

And the pundits say there's nothing to be gained by transcoding to a higher bit rate!
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post May 13 2003, 22:58
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users' opinion:

If once the great work is done of programming an mpc decoder for the flash based player,

it should not be much work to adjust it and built into a standalone DVD/CD-Player !

Because even cheap stand-alone players have normally perfect sound quality by digital out, and MPC stands for Quality !

Another goal (besides flash based player):

CD-R based players......




Many many thanks in advance....


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post May 13 2003, 23:27
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Why doesn't the player support replaygain? Isn't it just a preamp?
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post May 14 2003, 01:10
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c.b.2000:

Can you PM me with details for resellers? (ie. bulk prices) happy.gif
Will you make CD and HD based players too? Support for more languages? Thanks.


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post May 23 2003, 01:48
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im looking for a portable DVD-mp3/Ogg player
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QUOTE (Pop E Chu @ May 22 2003 - 06:48 PM)
im looking for a portable DVD-mp3/Ogg player

yeah, I want something along those lines too...supposedly there are DVD players that play DVD-mp3 discs (Data DVD's with mp3s on them) , so possibly eventually...I'll have to get a DVD burner first though...but if they make it DVD, they will want to put DVD Video support on it, for pointless reasons, and that'll just make it too big.


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post May 23 2003, 15:37
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first mpc player sounds cool! hopefully it will spread the popularity of the format thus forcing apple to have a firmware update with support! erm... sorry i just ordered a 15 gb and i have to admit just by the description, i'm already jealous biggrin.gif do you have design pics or anything similar?
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post Jul 23 2003, 22:32
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Original post said June/July. Anymore news on this considering July is almost up biggrin.gif
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Yes... more news would be great!
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