xiphmont’s ‘There is no point to distributing music in 24 bit/192 kHz’, Article: “24/192 Music Downloads are Very Silly Indeed” |
xiphmont’s ‘There is no point to distributing music in 24 bit/192 kHz’, Article: “24/192 Music Downloads are Very Silly Indeed” |
Mar 6 2012, 03:14
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Of interest, but certainly not news to anyone here is Monty's educational piece regarding the lack of value of 24/192 as a distribution format:
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Some of the commentary on the internet has been not especially well informed, for example there are some crazy claims at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3668310. If you're in a "someone is wrong on the internet!" correcting mood, you might want to go leave some comments in furtherance of the collective intelligence of mankind. Cheers |
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Mar 13 2012, 16:09
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Yes, the "sqrt rule" applies:
1000 (but I doubt it's true) effects in serial, each of 1000 (don't know that this is true either, but it's a figure to work with) arithmetic operations, = 1,000,000 arithmetic operations log2(sqrt(1,000,000)) ~= 10 But as you said above, this doesn't apply if the effects are internally float64 and the transport is float32; in that case, it's only 5 bits of noise. |
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NullC xiphmont’s ‘There is no point to distributing music in 24 bit/192 kHz’ Mar 6 2012, 03:14
NullC It's also on slashdot now: http://news.slashdo... Mar 6 2012, 05:36
Canar RE: xiphmont’s ‘There is no point to distributing music in 24 bit/192 kHz’ Mar 6 2012, 05:52
mudlord QUOTE (Canar @ Mar 5 2012, 22:52) Mar 6 2012, 06:08
xiphmont QUOTE (Canar @ Mar 5 2012, 23:52)
Oooh,... Mar 9 2012, 09:12
Canar QUOTE (xiphmont @ Mar 9 2012, 00:12) Oooh... Mar 9 2012, 16:36
DigitalMan Very, very nicely done. Long live TOS #8. Mar 6 2012, 06:27
Carledwards Excellent. Glad to see this and I hope it gets wid... Mar 6 2012, 08:50
Batman321 Great article!
Meanwhile in a parallel u... Mar 6 2012, 09:00
Porcus At the risk of spinning off a digression: what is ... Mar 6 2012, 09:32
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 6 2012, 03:32) At the... Mar 6 2012, 14:41
skamp ^^^ http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2012/03/odac-updat... Mar 6 2012, 10:27
AndyH-ha The answer depends on conditions, like the chem la... Mar 6 2012, 10:39
Porcus QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 6 2012, 10:39)... Mar 6 2012, 13:30

saratoga QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 6 2012, 07:30) QUOTE ... Mar 6 2012, 18:26
DonP QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 6 2012, 05:39)... Mar 6 2012, 13:59

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (DonP @ Mar 6 2012, 07:59) QUOTE (A... Mar 6 2012, 14:45
Martel QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 6 2012, 11:39)... Mar 6 2012, 15:15
hlloyge Finally. Thank you. Mar 6 2012, 11:25
razer Such a great read. Mar 6 2012, 13:16
dumdidum Monty: "The more that pseudoscience goes unch... Mar 6 2012, 14:52
Wombat QUOTE (NullC @ Mar 6 2012, 03:14) Some of... Mar 6 2012, 17:02
Satellite_6 "It's hard to fake ambisonics or holograp... Mar 6 2012, 20:56
jensend By the by, I recently added a little writeup about... Mar 6 2012, 22:53
klonuo QUOTE (jensend @ Mar 6 2012, 23:53) By th... Mar 7 2012, 00:04
soulsearchingsun From the article:
QUOTE Audibility of a CD-Standar... Mar 6 2012, 23:39
pdq QUOTE (soulsearchingsun @ Mar 6 2012, 17... Mar 7 2012, 03:41
WernerO QUOTE (pdq @ Mar 7 2012, 03:41) QUOTE (so... Mar 7 2012, 09:04
soulsearchingsun QUOTE (pdq @ Mar 7 2012, 03:41) QUOTE (so... Mar 7 2012, 11:00
wakibaki I'm happy to see a truly coherent argument aga... Mar 7 2012, 00:57
NullC QUOTE (wakibaki @ Mar 6 2012, 16:57) This... Mar 7 2012, 01:34
BearcatSandor QUOTE (wakibaki @ Mar 6 2012, 17:57) I... Mar 7 2012, 07:50
wakibaki I thought he made good points, but he quoted Meyer... Mar 7 2012, 01:54
xiphmont QUOTE (wakibaki @ Mar 6 2012, 19:54) I th... Mar 9 2012, 10:12
Porcus QUOTE (xiphmont @ Mar 9 2012, 10:12) The ... Mar 9 2012, 12:43

icstm QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 9 2012, 11:43) If som... Mar 9 2012, 16:16

greynol QUOTE (icstm @ Mar 9 2012, 07:16) how doe... Mar 9 2012, 16:45

Porcus QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 9 2012, 16:45) QUOTE... Mar 9 2012, 17:05
krabapple QUOTE (xiphmont @ Mar 9 2012, 04:12) QUOT... Mar 9 2012, 23:18

xiphmont QUOTE (krabapple @ Mar 9 2012, 17:18) Tha... Mar 10 2012, 03:12

krabapple QUOTE (xiphmont @ Mar 9 2012, 21:12) Exce... Mar 10 2012, 23:09

FreaqyFrequency QUOTE (krabapple @ Mar 10 2012, 17:09) po... Mar 11 2012, 04:27

2Bdecided QUOTE (FreaqyFrequency @ Mar 11 2012, 03... Mar 11 2012, 20:42


xiphmont QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 11 2012, 14:42) QU... Mar 11 2012, 21:01


Porcus QUOTE (xiphmont @ Mar 11 2012, 21:01) As ... Mar 11 2012, 23:05

krabapple QUOTE (FreaqyFrequency @ Mar 10 2012, 22... Mar 12 2012, 05:09

2Bdecided QUOTE (krabapple @ Mar 12 2012, 04:09) Th... Mar 12 2012, 10:48
wakibaki QUOTE (xiphmont @ Mar 9 2012, 09:12) QUOT... Mar 14 2012, 15:07
BearcatSandor The article mentions that SACDs often sound better... Mar 7 2012, 05:49
krabapple QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Mar 6 2012, 23:49)... Mar 9 2012, 22:55
2Bdecided I think this is a fantastic article.
Without wis... Mar 7 2012, 11:19
Porcus My sixth sense (i.e., my faithful placebo) just to... Mar 7 2012, 12:57
icstm This article is a perfect answer to my FIRST quest... Mar 7 2012, 15:20
LaserSokrates An excellent read, thank you very much! A bit ... Mar 9 2012, 23:35
hellokeith Does the statement of the benefits of mixing/maste... Mar 11 2012, 00:57
icstm QUOTE (hellokeith @ Mar 10 2012, 23:57) D... Mar 13 2012, 16:43
drewfx QUOTE (icstm @ Mar 13 2012, 10:43) I woul... Mar 13 2012, 17:43
2Bdecided QUOTE (drewfx @ Mar 13 2012, 16:43) QUOTE... Mar 14 2012, 10:33
drewfx QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 14 2012, 04:33) QU... Mar 14 2012, 16:41
icstm QUOTE (drewfx @ Mar 14 2012, 15:41) Yes. ... Mar 15 2012, 16:34
drewfx I'm unaware of any audio processing where inau... Mar 15 2012, 17:35
Wombat At first i have to congrat Monty that he gave us t... Mar 11 2012, 02:54
julf QUOTE (Wombat @ Mar 11 2012, 02:54) Greet... Mar 11 2012, 11:26
greynol QUOTE (Wombat @ Mar 10 2012, 17:54) There... Mar 11 2012, 19:33
moozooh In my opinion, the problem we need to focus on is ... Mar 11 2012, 16:37
Wombat What about recent CD versions that obviously don´t... Mar 11 2012, 17:42
skamp We're talking about a forum that's called ... Mar 12 2012, 11:28
Porcus QUOTE (skamp @ Mar 12 2012, 11:28) while ... Mar 12 2012, 13:18
icstm QUOTE (skamp @ Mar 12 2012, 10:28) We... Mar 12 2012, 17:57
bandpass From the article:
QUOTE Modern work flows may invo... Mar 13 2012, 11:19
SebastianG QUOTE (bandpass @ Mar 13 2012, 11:19) Fro... Mar 13 2012, 11:49
bandpass Yes, so while a pure float32 system could have pro... Mar 13 2012, 12:24
pdq I would hardly call float32 a danger zone. Even wh... Mar 13 2012, 14:07
icstm QUOTE (pdq @ Mar 13 2012, 13:07) I would ... Mar 13 2012, 16:12
bandpass Yes, but if "Modern work flows may involve li... Mar 13 2012, 15:24
SebastianG QUOTE (bandpass @ Mar 13 2012, 15:24) Yes... Mar 13 2012, 15:33
mixminus1 QUOTE BTW, did we get an asnwer to this?
Yes, it w... Mar 13 2012, 17:11
IgorC How about just wide public test for 16/44.1, 22/44... Mar 14 2012, 01:43
Wombat Where is Adam Savage & Jamie Hyneman when you ... Mar 14 2012, 01:52
Porcus QUOTE (Wombat @ Mar 14 2012, 01:52) Where... Mar 14 2012, 07:42
krabapple There is no point in distributing audio to consume... Mar 14 2012, 16:44
greynol It should be pretty clear from the title of the di... Mar 15 2012, 17:48
icstm QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 15 2012, 16:48) It s... Mar 16 2012, 11:22
greynol It's really a moot point since 16/44.1 can rep... Mar 15 2012, 19:14
krabapple xiphmont: evolver's reposting of your article ... Oct 11 2012, 20:53
bandpass QUOTE Papers with interesting ideas and no data (e... Oct 12 2012, 05:51
Patrunjica Fascinating read, there has been one sticking poin... Oct 13 2012, 23:51
saratoga QUOTE (Patrunjica @ Oct 13 2012, 18:51) I... Oct 14 2012, 00:01
greynol Your wave editor is connecting the samples with st... Oct 13 2012, 23:59
Patrunjica QUOTE (saratoga @ Oct 14 2012, 02:01) You... Oct 14 2012, 00:13
drewfx QUOTE (Patrunjica @ Oct 13 2012, 19:13) F... Oct 14 2012, 00:28
saratoga QUOTE (Patrunjica @ Oct 13 2012, 19:13) f... Oct 14 2012, 00:46
Wombat QUOTE (Patrunjica @ Oct 14 2012, 00:51) W... Oct 14 2012, 00:26
Patrunjica True, but each time they repeat they are different... Oct 14 2012, 01:13
greynol QUOTE (Patrunjica @ Oct 13 2012, 17:13) I... Oct 14 2012, 01:24
splice QUOTE (Patrunjica @ Oct 13 2012, 17:13) .... Oct 14 2012, 01:39![]() ![]() |
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