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How can i play External HD through receiver?
keenly
post Mar 9 2012, 14:59
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I have about 250GB of music on a toshiba hard drive. I just bought a SONY STRDH820 receiver. It wont plug straight in with USB. How else can i do this? I have alot of 24 bit vinyl rips and flac files. It would takes ages to put it all on dvd rs an cd rs.

I am a novice so any help would be appreciated.
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post Mar 9 2012, 15:28
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You need something that you can plug the HDD into and stream from. Just look up streaming devices on google. Logitech do some stuff as well as other manufacturers. In fact a lot of newer Blu-Ray players will allow you to connect a HDD and play music from it. Though check which formats they support.
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post Mar 9 2012, 15:50
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That receiver very clearly has a USB input right on the front panel. This is where your external HD gets plugged in. I'd advise also plugging the HD into AC power if it has that capability. Select "USB" on the input selector and that's all there should be to it. The display should give you means to navigate to the artist/album folder of your choice. Be advised, however, this is no guarantee all your music files will play. Only those for which the receiver has the appropriate codecs will be supported. You can look this up in your owner's manual. Also, no guarantee that non-Redbook (e.g. 24/96) will play unless the DAC in the receiver is capable of decoding them.

Edit: Linked to wrong picture, sorry.

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post Mar 9 2012, 16:02
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What filesystem does you external drive use? A drive that size is likely to be formatted NTFS and the receiver does not support that. You need to make sure it is FAT32.

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post Mar 9 2012, 20:01
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The Sony reciever can only take Ipods or iphones with mp3s. It will not even recognise my HD.

What streamers will work? How does a DAC work?
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post Mar 9 2012, 20:13
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QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 9 2012, 14:01) *
The Sony reciever can only take Ipods or iphones with mp3s.


According to the manual it supports generic USB devices, Sony MP3 players, Ipods, etc.

Did you read washu's post above yours?
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post Mar 9 2012, 20:18
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QUOTE (saratoga @ Mar 9 2012, 20:13) *
QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 9 2012, 14:01) *
The Sony reciever can only take Ipods or iphones with mp3s.


According to the manual it supports generic USB devices, Sony MP3 players, Ipods, etc.

Did you read washu's post above yours?


Ipods, iphones etc.

I dont understand his post whatsoever.

I am pretty pissed to be honest. I bought some Monitor audio bronze bx2s with the Sony strdh820 and the sound is not great at all. My Technics all in one hi fi sounded way better and they are 100 quid on ebay.

I only got on sunday so i may take back with the 28 days cut off point to upgrade.

Basically i wont to be able to play my hard drive contents and dvd audios, cds etc. I already have a denon 1920 which plays sacds and dvd audios but this damn amp has no multi channel output. Could i use HDMI for DVDA?
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post Mar 9 2012, 20:39
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QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 9 2012, 14:18) *
I dont understand his post whatsoever.


So you just ignored him? No offense, but if someone trys to help you and you ignore them, you're probably not going to get help.

My suggestion would be to reread the post, and then ask questions until you do understand it.
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post Mar 9 2012, 20:50
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QUOTE (saratoga @ Mar 9 2012, 20:39) *
QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 9 2012, 14:18) *
I dont understand his post whatsoever.


So you just ignored him? No offense, but if someone trys to help you and you ignore them, you're probably not going to get help.

My suggestion would be to reread the post, and then ask questions until you do understand it.


No i am researching to find an alternative.

I have found an amp that can support FLAC, WMA etc straight from HD! gOD BLESS ONKYO Brand new this month!
http://www.hyperfi.co.uk/onkyo-txnr509-51c...ack-p-1343.html

I will take my sony back and get this one i think. what do you think of it?
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post Mar 9 2012, 22:05
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QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 9 2012, 14:50) *
I have found an amp that can support FLAC, WMA etc straight from HD! gOD BLESS ONKYO Brand new this month!
http://www.hyperfi.co.uk/onkyo-txnr509-51c...ack-p-1343.html

I will take my sony back and get this one i think. what do you think of it?

Unless you find information that says this one supports NTFS, it will probably have the same problem as the Sony. In fact, I would not be surprised if none of the available receivers supports NTFS. Please verify which file system your HD uses before proceeding.
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post Mar 9 2012, 22:31
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QUOTE (pdq @ Mar 9 2012, 16:05) *
Unless you find information that says this one supports NTFS, it will probably have the same problem as the Sony. In fact, I would not be surprised if none of the available receivers supports NTFS. Please verify which file system your HD uses before proceeding.

A quick search of the manual confirms this. The Onkyo TX-NR509 only supports FAT and FAT32, no NTFS. Your pretty much guaranteed to have the same problem.
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post Mar 10 2012, 14:27
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QUOTE (washu @ Mar 9 2012, 22:31) *
QUOTE (pdq @ Mar 9 2012, 16:05) *
Unless you find information that says this one supports NTFS, it will probably have the same problem as the Sony. In fact, I would not be surprised if none of the available receivers supports NTFS. Please verify which file system your HD uses before proceeding.

A quick search of the manual confirms this. The Onkyo TX-NR509 only supports FAT and FAT32, no NTFS. Your pretty much guaranteed to have the same problem.


o.k so no receiver will take HD?

What is NTFS may i ask? I have no idea what FAT is?
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post Mar 10 2012, 15:02
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A quick search also found a post where someone mentions that the Onkyo does support NTFS, even better than FAT:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/av-amplifie...ers-thread.html
I would definitely still double check before buying, but in my exprience NTFS support is often there even if it's not mentioned in the manual/specs.
I would also check for gapless playback support, navigation, bit depth/samplerates, file format support etc.
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post Mar 10 2012, 15:42
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QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 10 2012, 14:27) *
What is NTFS may i ask? I have no idea what FAT is?
NTFS and FAT are file systems. The files on your hard disk are stored in a file system. This has nothing to do with the format (flac, wav, mp3) or resolution of your files (44.1kHz, 48 kHz, 16 Bit, 24 Bit etc.). Different operating systems use different file systems to organize data on every storage medium.
Windows formats large storage media automatically in NTFS, most hard disks are preformatted with NTFS when you buy them nowadays. FAT32 is a rather old standard, but probably the most compatible one. In order to use FAT32 with your hard disk, you will need to move your files off your external hard disk, because formatting it with FAT32 would delete all files on it. Then you'd need a special utility (others may name one, as I don't have any experience with this) to format your HDD with FAT32.
Hope it becomes clearer now.
That doesn't warrant that your receiver plays your files, you still need to check if your receiver is compatible with the file format you're using. But having the right file system is a necessary prerequisite, as the receiver wont otherwise know how to interprete data on your disk.
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post Mar 10 2012, 17:32
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From the manual of the STR-DH820:
It plays MP3 (extension .mp3), AAC (extensions .m4a, .3gp, .mp4) and WMA 'Standard' (supposedly no WMA lossless) (extension .wma).
No mentioning of .wav, no mentioning of .flac, no mentioning of HD formats. Seems you're out of luck with your files anyway.
I'd take the receiver back and buy something that supports .flac instead.

No NTFS support is also confirmed by the manual.
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post Mar 10 2012, 21:08
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QUOTE (soulsearchingsun @ Mar 10 2012, 11:32) *
From the manual of the STR-DH820:
It plays MP3 (extension .mp3), AAC (extensions .m4a, .3gp, .mp4) and WMA 'Standard' (supposedly no WMA lossless) (extension .wma).

The reference to WMA Standard probably means no WMA Pro (but may also mean no WMAL).
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post Mar 11 2012, 19:54
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QUOTE (soulsearchingsun @ Mar 10 2012, 17:32) *
From the manual of the STR-DH820:
It plays MP3 (extension .mp3), AAC (extensions .m4a, .3gp, .mp4) and WMA 'Standard' (supposedly no WMA lossless) (extension .wma).
No mentioning of .wav, no mentioning of .flac, no mentioning of HD formats. Seems you're out of luck with your files anyway.
I'd take the receiver back and buy something that supports .flac instead.

No NTFS support is also confirmed by the manual.

Hi yes i am taking it back thanks.

The onkyo i am looking at plays all those files. If my HD wont fit in it i may get an ipod to play WAV straight into. I have some albums rippe dto WAV and they sound great; those will play from ipod to amp.
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post Mar 11 2012, 20:12
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QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 11 2012, 19:54) *
QUOTE (soulsearchingsun @ Mar 10 2012, 17:32) *
From the manual of the STR-DH820:
It plays MP3 (extension .mp3), AAC (extensions .m4a, .3gp, .mp4) and WMA 'Standard' (supposedly no WMA lossless) (extension .wma).
No mentioning of .wav, no mentioning of .flac, no mentioning of HD formats. Seems you're out of luck with your files anyway.
I'd take the receiver back and buy something that supports .flac instead.

No NTFS support is also confirmed by the manual.

Hi yes i am taking it back thanks.

The onkyo i am looking at plays all those files. If my HD wont fit in it i may get an ipod to play WAV straight into. I have some albums rippe dto WAV and they sound great; those will play from ipod to amp.


Nope i wont be able to do that. Wav files will fill the ipod up quickly.

I guess i will buy some DVD rs for the 24 bit vinyl rips i have and play them through my sacd/cd/dvd audio player then just rip the flac and wav albums to cd rs.

You would think by now a company would make an amp that could take any HD and any file; WAV, AAC, FLAC etc. Millions of people have external HD with music on for gods sake.

btw; you couldn;t recommend an amp could ypu for 400 quid or less? I want mainly for music; stereo and multi channel; movies are secondary.

cheers
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post Mar 11 2012, 20:43
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QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 11 2012, 20:12) *
You would think by now a company would make an amp that could take any HD and any file; WAV, AAC, FLAC etc. Millions of people have external HD with music on for gods sake.


You'd say any filesystem and any codec. That's what nowadays millions of people use personal computers for! wink.gif

By the way: if I'm not wrong, NTFS is still copyrighted by Microsoft and not every detail of its implementation is known to the public domain so accessing it from a device running a software driver not released by Microsoft itself is, at least theorically, at risk of data corruption.


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post Mar 12 2012, 00:40
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QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 11 2012, 20:12) *
QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 11 2012, 19:54) *
The onkyo i am looking at plays all those files.
I guess i will buy some DVD rs for the 24 bit vinyl rips i have and play them through my sacd/cd/dvd audio player then just rip the flac and wav albums to cd rs.
Why would you do that? Onkyo TX-NR509 supports flac and wav with up to 24 Bit resolution and 96 kHz sampling rate from external hdds. No need to make an easy thing complicated (at least from reading the manual). Did you read somewhere that the Onky won't play your tunes?
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post Mar 12 2012, 08:14
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Note that it may not support 96kHz and room correction DSP (and probably other DSP) at the same time. The 606 and 607 didn't, and worst of all, Onkyo's way of handling it was to turn off DSP automatically whenever higher-than-48 was played, which led many to confuse this for a "difference" between 48kHz and 96kHz sound. My Pioneer can't do multichannel 192kHz input like that, but instead of turning off DSP, it downsamples to 96kHz and keeps DSP. If you're one of them "purists" of course you can turn off DSP manually as well.
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post Mar 12 2012, 09:55
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QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 11 2012, 18:54) *
Hi yes i am taking it back thanks.

The onkyo i am looking at plays all those files. If my HD wont fit in it i may get an ipod to play WAV straight into. I have some albums rippe dto WAV and they sound great; those will play from ipod to amp.


I do hope you downloaded and read the manual this time wink.gif

Most (all in my experience) USB external HDDs are sold formatted as FAT32 rather than NTFS, if the OP doesn't understand anything about filing systems I'd suspect it's still FAT32?

Many receivers support FLAC nowadays, if not then as I previously mentioned many Blu-Ray players let you connect a HDD and play music form the,/
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post Mar 12 2012, 11:49
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QUOTE (soulsearchingsun @ Mar 12 2012, 00:40) *
QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 11 2012, 20:12) *
QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 11 2012, 19:54) *
The onkyo i am looking at plays all those files.
I guess i will buy some DVD rs for the 24 bit vinyl rips i have and play them through my sacd/cd/dvd audio player then just rip the flac and wav albums to cd rs.
Why would you do that? Onkyo TX-NR509 supports flac and wav with up to 24 Bit resolution and 96 kHz sampling rate from external hdds. No need to make an easy thing complicated (at least from reading the manual). Did you read somewhere that the Onky won't play your tunes?


Have you read the replies? Apparantly it won't. From the opinions on here i wont be able to connect a HD to it.
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Sony Compatible USB Port: You can enjoy music from select Sony USB devices (Walkman/MicroVault/NWZ-series) by connecting the device to the receiver's front-panel USB (type-A) port. The Sony USB device must be formatted with FAT16 or FAT32. You can playback the following music files - MP3 (32-320 kbps), WMA (48-192 kbps), and AAC (48-320 kbps). The receiver can recognize up to 100 folders and 100 audio files in each folder, per device. You are able to control Play/Pause, Stop, Fast Forward/Rewind, Skip (previous/next), and Folder (up/down) functions of your connected Sony USB device.


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post Mar 12 2012, 15:58
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QUOTE (keenly @ Mar 12 2012, 11:49) *
Have you read the replies? Apparantly it won't. From the opinions on here i wont be able to connect a HD to it.
The replies in this thread here? I looked at the manual, it supports both common file systems AND a lot of different codecs, including wav and flac, including HD formats. Look at my previous post in here. I haven't read otherwise here. It's different for the Sony, which has a very limited support of external HD's. But the Onkyo should do what you want.
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