Vinyl is equivalent to which digital bit-depth and sampling rate? |
Vinyl is equivalent to which digital bit-depth and sampling rate? |
Mar 13 2012, 12:49
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What sample rate and bit depth , dithered, would create a digital recording with the same bandwidth and signal to noise ratio as vinyl
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Mar 21 2012, 11:43
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What sample rate and bit depth , dithered, would create a digital recording with the same bandwidth and signal to noise ratio as vinyl Maybe 11 or 12 bits, and maybe 35 or 40 KHz. This is a little hard to say exactly because the digital performance limits implied are hard walls, while the limits of analog are sort of like padded walls. However, the analog room is very much smaller and can never be enlarged. The digital room can be made as large as you want to pay for. For example, while a LP can be made with 35 KHz bandwidth, it can't carry much data at that frequency and the data is highly corrupted not to mention difficult to play usefully and easy to destroy during playback. The LP format starts loosing dynamic range and adding audible distortion beginning around 5 KHz. Vinyl has severe power bandwidth problems at both ends of the audible spectrum. Vinyl also has massive inherent jitter, and is typically made from analog tape recordings that have relatively massive jitter. The best analog tape recorder ever sold as a commercial product has about 1,000 nanoseconds or a million picoseconds of jitter on the best day of its life, and needs frequent (weekly, daily) maintenance to perform that way. Every recording that any regular consumer ever listened on vinyl was much worse. A comparable digital recording is scrupulously clean very close to Nyquist, has full bandwidth at high levels, is very easy to recover fully, does everything right down to DC, has inherent jitter that can be reduced arbitrarily, and is very durable. |
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Mar 22 2012, 15:49
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jitter Is that synonymous to what we used to call wow & flutter, or is there more to it? -------------------- geocities.com/hydrogenaudio: http://goo.gl/tqYZj
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Mar 22 2012, 20:44
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KMD Vinyl is equivalent to which digital bit-depth and sampling rate? Mar 13 2012, 12:49
dhromed Somewhat below Redbook. Mar 13 2012, 12:57
Kees de Visser This old thread gives some answers:
http://www.hyd... Mar 13 2012, 13:32
KMD Ok so I'm getting 44Khz 12 Bit from there. Pe... Mar 13 2012, 13:50
2Bdecided QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 12:50) Ok so I... Mar 13 2012, 14:40
pdq There was a listening test here a few years back. ... Mar 13 2012, 14:14
KMD The question is do very low signal to noise rati... Mar 13 2012, 14:49
2Bdecided QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 13:49) The ques... Mar 13 2012, 15:15
KMD If people think vinyl LP sounds better than 12 Bit... Mar 13 2012, 15:26
2Bdecided QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 14:26) If peopl... Mar 13 2012, 15:39
John_Siau QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 06:49) What sam... Mar 13 2012, 15:41
KMD listening tests at super high quality are hard to ... Mar 13 2012, 16:01
Rotareneg QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 09:01) If it ex... Mar 13 2012, 17:34
krabapple QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 10:01) listenin... Mar 13 2012, 19:50
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (KMD @ Mar 13 2012, 11:01) listenin... Mar 21 2012, 11:29
pdq QUOTE (Porcus @ Mar 22 2012, 10:49) QUOTE... Mar 22 2012, 16:01
Glenn Gundlach QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Mar 22 2012, 11... Mar 23 2012, 04:29
Woodinville QUOTE (Glenn Gundlach @ Mar 22 2012, 20:2... Mar 23 2012, 11:48
DonP QUOTE (Glenn Gundlach @ Mar 22 2012, 23:2... Mar 24 2012, 13:26
icstm ^^^ so isn't quite funny that all those ppl wh... Mar 22 2012, 12:45
Nessuno QUOTE (icstm @ Mar 22 2012, 12:45) ^^^ so... Mar 22 2012, 15:54
Ethan Winer QUOTE (icstm @ Mar 22 2012, 07:45) all th... Mar 24 2012, 20:05

Woodinville QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Mar 24 2012, 12:05) ... Mar 26 2012, 10:03
Fandango QUOTE (icstm @ Mar 22 2012, 13:45) ^^^ so... Mar 26 2012, 10:18
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Fandango @ Mar 26 2012, 05:18) QUO... Apr 15 2012, 12:42
greynol While CDDA only goes to 22k, I don't believe i... Mar 22 2012, 14:02
pdq If such jitter were a problem (which it is not) th... Mar 24 2012, 14:05
DonP QUOTE (pdq @ Mar 24 2012, 09:05) If such ... Mar 25 2012, 12:41
icstm QUOTE (Woodinville @ Mar 26 2012, 09:03) ... Apr 16 2012, 09:49![]() ![]() |
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