Skeptoid: Digital vs Vinyl, Podcast casts its skeptical eye on digital audio |
Skeptoid: Digital vs Vinyl, Podcast casts its skeptical eye on digital audio |
Mar 28 2012, 11:59
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Mar 29 2012, 09:44
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Mar 30 2012, 02:01
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I doubt he will challenge the theoretical limitations of the vinyl format. Aren't those limits practical limits, not just theoretical? S/N, crackling, wow&flutter...? There is a theoretical limit to surface noise elimination on vinyl. It's not insubstantial, either. -------------------- -----
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Mar 30 2012, 07:55
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There is a theoretical limit to surface noise elimination on vinyl. It's not insubstantial, either. Assuming that cost and impractical conditions does not pose theoretical limits, what is this based on? If I was to make a "vinyl" record out of any concievable material, to be played back in strictly specified lab conditions, I would expect that the granularity (and mechanical "memory") of the atomic structure of that record to be the most fundamental limit? I think that this presentation had some interesting background information on analog media degradation, funky italian-english aside: http://www-dsp.elet.polimi.it/ispg/images/...tion_slides.pdf |
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rick.hughes Skeptoid: Digital vs Vinyl Mar 28 2012, 11:59
Fandango This thread just reminded me that I haven't li... Mar 28 2012, 21:29
Woodinville Hmm, we shall see how he copes with my comment tha... Mar 28 2012, 22:45
Fandango Didn't he dodge the big question anyway? He sa... Mar 29 2012, 03:38
krabapple QUOTE (Fandango @ Mar 28 2012, 22:38) Did... Mar 29 2012, 17:22
mzil QUOTE (krabapple @ Mar 29 2012, 11:22) In... Mar 29 2012, 22:23
knutinh QUOTE (mzil @ Mar 29 2012, 23:23) What I... Mar 30 2012, 07:36

mzil QUOTE (knutinh @ Mar 30 2012, 01:36) Or, ... Mar 30 2012, 08:33

greynol Ignoring CDDA, if you are attempting to suggest th... Mar 30 2012, 15:56


mzil QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 30 2012, 09:56) Igno... Mar 30 2012, 18:04


dhromed QUOTE (mzil @ Mar 30 2012, 18:04) I'm... Mar 30 2012, 20:13


greynol QUOTE (mzil @ Mar 30 2012, 10:04) I'm... Mar 30 2012, 21:25

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (mzil @ Mar 30 2012, 03:33) QUOTE (... Apr 3 2012, 14:45

mzil QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 3 2012, 08... Apr 3 2012, 23:32
krabapple QUOTE (mzil @ Mar 29 2012, 17:23) Althoug... Mar 31 2012, 22:18
mzil QUOTE (krabapple @ Mar 31 2012, 16:18) Bu... Apr 1 2012, 02:22
Nessuno QUOTE (hlloyge @ Mar 29 2012, 09:44) QUOT... Mar 29 2012, 11:26

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Nessuno @ Mar 29 2012, 06:26) QUOT... Apr 3 2012, 14:42


Nessuno QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 3 2012, 15... Apr 3 2012, 17:31

splice QUOTE (Nessuno @ Mar 29 2012, 03:26) QUOT... Apr 17 2012, 02:47
splice QUOTE (knutinh @ Mar 29 2012, 22:55) If I... Mar 31 2012, 00:38
Fandango Right, besides one could analyze the recording for... Mar 29 2012, 21:13
Pio2001 QUOTE (Fandango @ Mar 29 2012, 22:13) But... Sep 15 2012, 16:45
hlloyge QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Sep 15 2012, 17:45) Last... Sep 15 2012, 19:09
mzil Dhromed, Thanks! Great respone, but when I wen... Mar 30 2012, 21:28
Woodinville Just want to point out that the biggest component ... Mar 31 2012, 23:10
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Woodinville @ Mar 31 2012, 18:10) ... Apr 3 2012, 14:50
Nessuno QUOTE (Woodinville @ Apr 1 2012, 00:10) H... Apr 5 2012, 07:59
Engelsstaub QUOTE (Nessuno @ Apr 5 2012, 01:59) ...ev... Apr 5 2012, 15:04
krabapple QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Apr 5 2012, 10:04) I... Apr 5 2012, 17:55
kraut QUOTE Then there is the FM distortion caused by ..... Apr 3 2012, 17:52
Woodinville QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 3 2012, 09:52) QUOTE [... Apr 4 2012, 06:19
stephan_g QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 3 2012, 17:52) QUOTE T... Apr 4 2012, 22:36

splice QUOTE (stephan_g @ Apr 4 2012, 14:36) ...... Apr 5 2012, 01:45

Woodinville QUOTE (splice @ Apr 4 2012, 17:45) Many n... Apr 5 2012, 03:53
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 3 2012, 12:52) QUOTE T... Apr 6 2012, 14:52
kraut QUOTE Perhaps you should actually read up on the r... Apr 4 2012, 15:59
Woodinville QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 4 2012, 07:59) QUOTE P... Apr 5 2012, 03:50
kraut QUOTE [Having said that, playing vinyl twice insid... Apr 6 2012, 06:28
splice QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 5 2012, 21:28) QUOTE [... Apr 6 2012, 07:44

DonP QUOTE (splice @ Apr 6 2012, 02:44) Lo and... Apr 6 2012, 14:54
Nessuno QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 6 2012, 07:28) And if ... Apr 6 2012, 07:56
kraut QUOTE Where is the proof? Just claims pulled out o... Apr 6 2012, 07:37
Woodinville Since I am not going to go buy an expensive, obsol... Apr 6 2012, 10:42
2Bdecided QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 6 2012, 07:37) My expe... Apr 6 2012, 12:50
kraut I play with a mixture with distilled water and 99%... Apr 6 2012, 08:12
splice QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 5 2012, 23:12) I play ... Apr 6 2012, 12:18
greynol The topic at hand is not about the manner in which... Apr 6 2012, 08:23
krabapple If you're a masochist there's always this ... Apr 6 2012, 20:23
krabapple and, btw, the AES e-library is free to search. Re... Apr 6 2012, 20:49
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (krabapple @ Apr 6 2012, 15:49) and... Apr 8 2012, 12:54
Woodinville QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 8 2012, 04... Apr 8 2012, 22:00
krabapple QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 8 2012, 07... Apr 9 2012, 06:08
kraut QUOTE To determine the actual deformation-force re... Apr 7 2012, 00:20
splice QUOTE To determine the actual deformation-force re... Apr 7 2012, 02:14
Engelsstaub QUOTE (splice @ Apr 6 2012, 20:14) ...I r... Apr 7 2012, 10:37
kraut QUOTE Most of the heat is produced inside the groo... Apr 7 2012, 03:56
Woodinville QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 6 2012, 19:56) I have ... Apr 7 2012, 04:16

kraut QUOTE (Woodinville @ Apr 6 2012, 20:16) Q... Apr 7 2012, 06:53

Woodinville QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 6 2012, 22:53) The sam... Apr 7 2012, 08:15
splice QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 6 2012, 19:56) ... Wha... Apr 7 2012, 10:26
Nessuno QUOTE (splice @ Apr 7 2012, 11:26) Deteri... Apr 7 2012, 11:31
Woodinville QUOTE (Nessuno @ Apr 7 2012, 03:31) QUOTE... Apr 7 2012, 21:36
kraut Just a last note:
I know that my decades long expe... Apr 7 2012, 07:59
splice I feel a sense of regret that the CD came along wh... Apr 9 2012, 14:04
pdq @splice: That's an awful lot of conjecture, an... Apr 9 2012, 16:54
splice QUOTE (pdq @ Apr 9 2012, 08:54) @splice: ... Apr 9 2012, 22:03
knutinh QUOTE (splice @ Apr 9 2012, 23:03) We wer... Apr 9 2012, 22:44
pdq QUOTE (splice @ Apr 9 2012, 17:03) QUOTE ... Apr 10 2012, 15:44
splice QUOTE (pdq @ Apr 10 2012, 07:44) ... If s... Apr 10 2012, 21:54
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (pdq @ Apr 10 2012, 10:44) If someo... Apr 11 2012, 16:14
splice @-h, I happen to agree with almost everything you ... Apr 9 2012, 23:04
knutinh QUOTE (splice @ Apr 10 2012, 00:04) @-h, ... Apr 9 2012, 23:28
Woodinville QUOTE (knutinh @ Apr 9 2012, 15:28) I... Apr 10 2012, 04:58
knutinh QUOTE (Woodinville @ Apr 10 2012, 05:58) ... Apr 10 2012, 09:16
Nessuno QUOTE (knutinh @ Apr 10 2012, 10:16) We k... Apr 10 2012, 10:56
knutinh QUOTE (Nessuno @ Apr 10 2012, 11:56) True... Apr 10 2012, 11:52

Nessuno QUOTE (knutinh @ Apr 10 2012, 12:52) I sh... Apr 10 2012, 18:09
DonP QUOTE (Nessuno @ Apr 10 2012, 05:56) True... Apr 10 2012, 16:18
Engelsstaub My system is by no means exotic nor is it expensiv... Apr 9 2012, 23:28
kraut "To determine the actual deformation-force re... Apr 10 2012, 04:58
greynol You may want to look up the word predominant. I d... Apr 10 2012, 05:07
Woodinville QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 9 2012, 20:58) Having ... Apr 10 2012, 05:28
kraut QUOTE as is your vile defamation of those who have... Apr 10 2012, 06:09
pdq Say what you will about two channels, but I grew u... Apr 10 2012, 12:54
lvqcl Don't know about Soundstream... found this: ht... Apr 10 2012, 16:39
pdq Only in the world of vinyl would 1% THD be referre... Apr 17 2012, 13:34
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (pdq @ Apr 17 2012, 08:34) Only in ... Apr 17 2012, 13:43
Pio2001 Yes, that is something that I noticed too. Never l... Sep 15 2012, 19:31
mzil On some receivers/preamps the record out selector ... Sep 16 2012, 00:57
krabapple For us non-Francophones, here's Google Transla... Sep 16 2012, 18:22
mzil QUOTE (krabapple @ Sep 16 2012, 13:22) If... Sep 16 2012, 21:02

krabapple A disadvantage to any method involving LP is the l... Sep 17 2012, 16:40
Pio2001 QUOTE (krabapple @ Sep 16 2012, 19:22) Fo... Sep 16 2012, 21:14
krabapple QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Sep 16 2012, 16:14) We c... Sep 17 2012, 16:49
Pio2001 No, I mean that I observed the same distortion art... Sep 17 2012, 22:23
robbo1802 Hello Pio,
It has been a long time, I think I las... Sep 27 2012, 08:03![]() ![]() |
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