Skeptoid: Digital vs Vinyl, Podcast casts its skeptical eye on digital audio |
Skeptoid: Digital vs Vinyl, Podcast casts its skeptical eye on digital audio |
Mar 28 2012, 11:59
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Sep 15 2012, 19:31
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Yes, that is something that I noticed too. Never listen to something else while you record a vinyl ! But it seems that either this kind of feedback is harmless if the signal is the record itself, or some turntables are more sensitive than others. The one used for the feedback test was a Technics SL-3100.
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Sep 16 2012, 00:57
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On some receivers/preamps the record out selector (or just input selector) doesn't have perfect isolation between inputs, there is electrical bleed through -[just like the L and R ch also sometimes bleed through to each other], even if those other inputs aren't being listened to. On receivers this can particularly be a problem since you can't really turn off the tuner section on many, it is always "on" even if no frequency is displayed. The best you can do is tune to dead air and/or disconnect the antenna, if it is a problem.
--- On turntables acoustic feedback is often via vibration from the resting surface and not via sound waves through the air. If one were to want to induce it, try placing the turntable on the (full range) speaker and defeat (if possible) the phono preamp's subsonic filter. In its extreme form it will make a loud howling noise, just like stage mics are known to, however it also can subtly color the music at lower levels. The effect is subtle and easily masked in many situations. Turntables with good vibration isolation, such as ones with a floppy, floating sub-chassis (keeping the arm and platter suspended in their own separate world, without a direct connection to the plinth), are typically immune to this problem, in fact that is why they are made this way. This post has been edited by mzil: Sep 16 2012, 01:23 |
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rick.hughes Skeptoid: Digital vs Vinyl Mar 28 2012, 11:59
Fandango This thread just reminded me that I haven't li... Mar 28 2012, 21:29
Woodinville Hmm, we shall see how he copes with my comment tha... Mar 28 2012, 22:45
Fandango Didn't he dodge the big question anyway? He sa... Mar 29 2012, 03:38
krabapple QUOTE (Fandango @ Mar 28 2012, 22:38) Did... Mar 29 2012, 17:22
mzil QUOTE (krabapple @ Mar 29 2012, 11:22) In... Mar 29 2012, 22:23
knutinh QUOTE (mzil @ Mar 29 2012, 23:23) What I... Mar 30 2012, 07:36

mzil QUOTE (knutinh @ Mar 30 2012, 01:36) Or, ... Mar 30 2012, 08:33

greynol Ignoring CDDA, if you are attempting to suggest th... Mar 30 2012, 15:56


mzil QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 30 2012, 09:56) Igno... Mar 30 2012, 18:04


dhromed QUOTE (mzil @ Mar 30 2012, 18:04) I'm... Mar 30 2012, 20:13


greynol QUOTE (mzil @ Mar 30 2012, 10:04) I'm... Mar 30 2012, 21:25

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (mzil @ Mar 30 2012, 03:33) QUOTE (... Apr 3 2012, 14:45

mzil QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 3 2012, 08... Apr 3 2012, 23:32
krabapple QUOTE (mzil @ Mar 29 2012, 17:23) Althoug... Mar 31 2012, 22:18
mzil QUOTE (krabapple @ Mar 31 2012, 16:18) Bu... Apr 1 2012, 02:22
hlloyge QUOTE (Fandango @ Mar 29 2012, 03:38) I d... Mar 29 2012, 09:44
Nessuno QUOTE (hlloyge @ Mar 29 2012, 09:44) QUOT... Mar 29 2012, 11:26

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Nessuno @ Mar 29 2012, 06:26) QUOT... Apr 3 2012, 14:42


Nessuno QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 3 2012, 15... Apr 3 2012, 17:31

splice QUOTE (Nessuno @ Mar 29 2012, 03:26) QUOT... Apr 17 2012, 02:47
Woodinville QUOTE (hlloyge @ Mar 29 2012, 01:44) QUOT... Mar 30 2012, 02:01
knutinh QUOTE (Woodinville @ Mar 30 2012, 03:01) ... Mar 30 2012, 07:55
splice QUOTE (knutinh @ Mar 29 2012, 22:55) If I... Mar 31 2012, 00:38
Fandango Right, besides one could analyze the recording for... Mar 29 2012, 21:13
Pio2001 QUOTE (Fandango @ Mar 29 2012, 22:13) But... Sep 15 2012, 16:45
hlloyge QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Sep 15 2012, 17:45) Last... Sep 15 2012, 19:09
mzil Dhromed, Thanks! Great respone, but when I wen... Mar 30 2012, 21:28
Woodinville Just want to point out that the biggest component ... Mar 31 2012, 23:10
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Woodinville @ Mar 31 2012, 18:10) ... Apr 3 2012, 14:50
Nessuno QUOTE (Woodinville @ Apr 1 2012, 00:10) H... Apr 5 2012, 07:59
Engelsstaub QUOTE (Nessuno @ Apr 5 2012, 01:59) ...ev... Apr 5 2012, 15:04
krabapple QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Apr 5 2012, 10:04) I... Apr 5 2012, 17:55
kraut QUOTE Then there is the FM distortion caused by ..... Apr 3 2012, 17:52
Woodinville QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 3 2012, 09:52) QUOTE [... Apr 4 2012, 06:19
stephan_g QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 3 2012, 17:52) QUOTE T... Apr 4 2012, 22:36

splice QUOTE (stephan_g @ Apr 4 2012, 14:36) ...... Apr 5 2012, 01:45

Woodinville QUOTE (splice @ Apr 4 2012, 17:45) Many n... Apr 5 2012, 03:53
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 3 2012, 12:52) QUOTE T... Apr 6 2012, 14:52
kraut QUOTE Perhaps you should actually read up on the r... Apr 4 2012, 15:59
Woodinville QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 4 2012, 07:59) QUOTE P... Apr 5 2012, 03:50
kraut QUOTE [Having said that, playing vinyl twice insid... Apr 6 2012, 06:28
splice QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 5 2012, 21:28) QUOTE [... Apr 6 2012, 07:44

DonP QUOTE (splice @ Apr 6 2012, 02:44) Lo and... Apr 6 2012, 14:54
Nessuno QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 6 2012, 07:28) And if ... Apr 6 2012, 07:56
kraut QUOTE Where is the proof? Just claims pulled out o... Apr 6 2012, 07:37
Woodinville Since I am not going to go buy an expensive, obsol... Apr 6 2012, 10:42
2Bdecided QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 6 2012, 07:37) My expe... Apr 6 2012, 12:50
kraut I play with a mixture with distilled water and 99%... Apr 6 2012, 08:12
splice QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 5 2012, 23:12) I play ... Apr 6 2012, 12:18
greynol The topic at hand is not about the manner in which... Apr 6 2012, 08:23
krabapple If you're a masochist there's always this ... Apr 6 2012, 20:23
krabapple and, btw, the AES e-library is free to search. Re... Apr 6 2012, 20:49
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (krabapple @ Apr 6 2012, 15:49) and... Apr 8 2012, 12:54
Woodinville QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 8 2012, 04... Apr 8 2012, 22:00
krabapple QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 8 2012, 07... Apr 9 2012, 06:08
kraut QUOTE To determine the actual deformation-force re... Apr 7 2012, 00:20
splice QUOTE To determine the actual deformation-force re... Apr 7 2012, 02:14
Engelsstaub QUOTE (splice @ Apr 6 2012, 20:14) ...I r... Apr 7 2012, 10:37
kraut QUOTE Most of the heat is produced inside the groo... Apr 7 2012, 03:56
Woodinville QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 6 2012, 19:56) I have ... Apr 7 2012, 04:16

kraut QUOTE (Woodinville @ Apr 6 2012, 20:16) Q... Apr 7 2012, 06:53

Woodinville QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 6 2012, 22:53) The sam... Apr 7 2012, 08:15
splice QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 6 2012, 19:56) ... Wha... Apr 7 2012, 10:26
Nessuno QUOTE (splice @ Apr 7 2012, 11:26) Deteri... Apr 7 2012, 11:31
Woodinville QUOTE (Nessuno @ Apr 7 2012, 03:31) QUOTE... Apr 7 2012, 21:36
kraut Just a last note:
I know that my decades long expe... Apr 7 2012, 07:59
splice I feel a sense of regret that the CD came along wh... Apr 9 2012, 14:04
pdq @splice: That's an awful lot of conjecture, an... Apr 9 2012, 16:54
splice QUOTE (pdq @ Apr 9 2012, 08:54) @splice: ... Apr 9 2012, 22:03
knutinh QUOTE (splice @ Apr 9 2012, 23:03) We wer... Apr 9 2012, 22:44
pdq QUOTE (splice @ Apr 9 2012, 17:03) QUOTE ... Apr 10 2012, 15:44
splice QUOTE (pdq @ Apr 10 2012, 07:44) ... If s... Apr 10 2012, 21:54
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (pdq @ Apr 10 2012, 10:44) If someo... Apr 11 2012, 16:14
splice @-h, I happen to agree with almost everything you ... Apr 9 2012, 23:04
knutinh QUOTE (splice @ Apr 10 2012, 00:04) @-h, ... Apr 9 2012, 23:28
Woodinville QUOTE (knutinh @ Apr 9 2012, 15:28) I... Apr 10 2012, 04:58
knutinh QUOTE (Woodinville @ Apr 10 2012, 05:58) ... Apr 10 2012, 09:16
Nessuno QUOTE (knutinh @ Apr 10 2012, 10:16) We k... Apr 10 2012, 10:56
knutinh QUOTE (Nessuno @ Apr 10 2012, 11:56) True... Apr 10 2012, 11:52

Nessuno QUOTE (knutinh @ Apr 10 2012, 12:52) I sh... Apr 10 2012, 18:09
DonP QUOTE (Nessuno @ Apr 10 2012, 05:56) True... Apr 10 2012, 16:18
Engelsstaub My system is by no means exotic nor is it expensiv... Apr 9 2012, 23:28
kraut "To determine the actual deformation-force re... Apr 10 2012, 04:58
greynol You may want to look up the word predominant. I d... Apr 10 2012, 05:07
Woodinville QUOTE (kraut @ Apr 9 2012, 20:58) Having ... Apr 10 2012, 05:28
kraut QUOTE as is your vile defamation of those who have... Apr 10 2012, 06:09
pdq Say what you will about two channels, but I grew u... Apr 10 2012, 12:54
lvqcl Don't know about Soundstream... found this: ht... Apr 10 2012, 16:39
pdq Only in the world of vinyl would 1% THD be referre... Apr 17 2012, 13:34
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (pdq @ Apr 17 2012, 08:34) Only in ... Apr 17 2012, 13:43
krabapple For us non-Francophones, here's Google Transla... Sep 16 2012, 18:22
mzil QUOTE (krabapple @ Sep 16 2012, 13:22) If... Sep 16 2012, 21:02

krabapple A disadvantage to any method involving LP is the l... Sep 17 2012, 16:40
Pio2001 QUOTE (krabapple @ Sep 16 2012, 19:22) Fo... Sep 16 2012, 21:14
krabapple QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Sep 16 2012, 16:14) We c... Sep 17 2012, 16:49
Pio2001 No, I mean that I observed the same distortion art... Sep 17 2012, 22:23
robbo1802 Hello Pio,
It has been a long time, I think I las... Sep 27 2012, 08:03![]() ![]() |
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