studio monitors and quality of home speakers |
studio monitors and quality of home speakers |
Apr 27 2012, 16:52
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Has there ever been a documented case of a recording sounding worse on quality home speakers because the studio monitors used to make the recording where of lower quality?
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Apr 27 2012, 17:49
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Define "worse".
For years, one of the studio standards for mixdown monitors were Yamaha NS-10Ms. They weren't/aren't within a stone's throw of any definition of "neutral" or "uncolored", and finding consumer-oriented speakers that are objectively superior is a fairly simple task, especially these days, but nonetheless, I'd guess the majority (vast majority?) of hit records from the 80s and 90s were mixed through them. A good mix engineer "learns" their speakers, whatever they may be, and how mixes done on those speakers will translate to the enormous variety of playback systems that their recording will be heard through...and that's the key: translation. All speakers (and headphones, of course) sound different, so getting a well-balanced mix on a pair you know well is the best you can do, and then hopefully it holds together through other speakers, even if those speakers have very different frequency responses (and are in very different acoustic environments) than yours. Note that this is really the key role that a good mastering engineer plays (or did, or should...): being able to hear if your mixes will translate well, and applying the necessary final adjustments to give them the best chance of doing so. -------------------- "Not sure what the question is, but the answer is probably no."
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Apr 30 2012, 06:18
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Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 9-February 12 Member No.: 97028 |
Define "worse". For years, one of the studio standards for mixdown monitors were Yamaha NS-10Ms. They weren't/aren't within a stone's throw of any definition of "neutral" or "uncolored", and finding consumer-oriented speakers that are objectively superior is a fairly simple task, especially these days, but nonetheless, I'd guess the majority (vast majority?) of hit records from the 80s and 90s were mixed through them. A good mix engineer "learns" their speakers, whatever they may be, and how mixes done on those speakers will translate to the enormous variety of playback systems that their recording will be heard through...and that's the key: translation. All speakers (and headphones, of course) sound different, so getting a well-balanced mix on a pair you know well is the best you can do, and then hopefully it holds together through other speakers, even if those speakers have very different frequency responses (and are in very different acoustic environments) than yours. Note that this is really the key role that a good mastering engineer plays (or did, or should...): being able to hear if your mixes will translate well, and applying the necessary final adjustments to give them the best chance of doing so. Well, that's the strange thing because audiophile speakers are often advertised as being accurate and "true to the sound that the artist intended" but if the studio monitors weren't accurate isn't this so-called "accuracy" really a form of distortion and inaccuracy? And some of these speakers are quite expensive and even have new materiasl in them. For example, supposedly the company Wilson-Benesch used a type of carbon fiber that was new for their drivers, so it seems quite ironic that all this time and effort is just making things sound worse in an objective sense because it's not the sound that the recording engineers heard. And to make make matters worse, their might not be the one true sound that the people who made the recording actually wanted because the decisions were made by multiple people maybe - the artists, the recording engineer, the mastering engineer, the producers, maybe other people who worked for the record company. I'm a drummer and one time we were recording some stuff and the engineer told me to change snare drums and I think what he wanted sounded worse but I didn't want to waste time arguing with him so I just went along with it. It seems the best situation would be to listen at home on the monitors that were used during the mastering phase of the recording because that was when the final decision was made. So if someone used Yamaha NS-10Ms in the studio, they would be the best choice for listening at home. And I think they started out as a home speaker but were later changed for studio use. |
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Apr 30 2012, 18:52
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Group: Members Posts: 2115 Joined: 24-August 07 From: Silicon Valley Member No.: 46454 |
...And to make matters worse, their might not be the one true sound that the people who made the recording actually wanted because the decisions were made by multiple people maybe - the artists, the recording engineer, the mastering engineer, the producers, maybe other people who worked for the record company... With big-label releases, the mixing engineer & mastering engineer will have different set-ups and the song will have been listened-to by many different people on many different systems. In the end, I would assume management gets the sound they want, or at least a sound that is acceptable to them.QUOTE Has there ever been a documented case of a recording sounding worse on quality home speakers because the studio monitors used to make the recording where of lower quality? It seems to be a common problem with amateurs. You don't have to read many Recording Magazine Reader's Tapes Reviews before monitors (or lack of monitors) are cited as a potential contributor to less-than-perfect mix.
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Bartholomew MacGruber studio monitors and quality of home speakers Apr 27 2012, 16:52
Ethan Winer QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1... Apr 27 2012, 18:23
Bartholomew MacGruber QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 27 2012, 18:23) ... Apr 30 2012, 06:22
tnargs QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 02:53) ... Oct 23 2012, 02:10
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (tnargs @ Oct 22 2012, 21:10) QUOTE... Oct 23 2012, 20:28
RonaldDumsfeld QUOTE the trend to market "pleasing sounding... Apr 27 2012, 21:16
Ethan Winer Yes, plenty of examples. Some years back, a fellow... Apr 28 2012, 17:02
honestguv QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 18:02) ... Apr 28 2012, 20:15

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (honestguv @ Apr 28 2012, 15:15) QU... Apr 29 2012, 17:51
markanini QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 17:02) ... Apr 30 2012, 15:01
tnargs QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 29 2012, 01:32) ... Oct 23 2012, 01:56
tomtomthomson QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1... Apr 30 2012, 03:22
Typhoon859 QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 30 2012, 0... Apr 30 2012, 08:18
Bartholomew MacGruber OK, I can't remember all the places that I rea... Apr 30 2012, 08:44

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 30 2012, 0... Apr 30 2012, 14:29

seditious3 QUOTE I also seem to remember stuff about recordin... Oct 22 2012, 17:53
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Typhoon859 @ Apr 30 2012, 03:18) Q... Apr 30 2012, 14:25
AudioKitten Maybe this is mostly a problem with amateur master... May 1 2012, 16:25
Bartholomew MacGruber I don't know if it's ever been done before... May 2 2012, 04:52
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ May 1 2012, 23... May 8 2012, 13:32
ktf QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 8 2012, 14... May 8 2012, 16:03
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (ktf @ May 8 2012, 11:03) QUOTE (Ar... May 9 2012, 14:24
ktf QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 9 2012, 15... May 9 2012, 14:38
_if If you took a set of any of the good monitors (rea... May 2 2012, 07:12
stephan_g QUOTE (_if @ May 2 2012, 07:12) If you to... May 2 2012, 09:36
Bartholomew MacGruber QUOTE (_if @ May 2 2012, 07:12) If you to... May 2 2012, 09:37
icstm is that type of EQ adjustment was audacity type sy... May 2 2012, 13:19
RonaldDumsfeld Thanks to Ethan for going to the trouble to post t... May 2 2012, 15:24
honestguv QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ May 2 2012, 15:24... May 2 2012, 16:33
Kees de Visser QUOTE (honestguv @ May 2 2012, 17:33) I w... May 2 2012, 22:38
Thasp QUOTE (honestguv @ May 2 2012, 08:33) QUO... May 12 2012, 05:51
RonaldDumsfeld To be fair Ethan did quote the test methodology. S... May 2 2012, 18:16
RobWansbeck The dips could be the result of phase cancellation... May 5 2012, 22:45
krabapple Isn't most studio monitoring on these speakers... May 9 2012, 16:38
markanini Yeah, the equilateral triangle, each side 3-6 feet... May 10 2012, 15:18
lanayapiper QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1... Oct 12 2012, 13:13
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (lanayapiper @ Oct 12 2012, 08:13) ... Oct 15 2012, 14:50
tnargs QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 29 2012, 01:32) ... Oct 23 2012, 01:36
markanini What are Doug Sax and Rob Ludwig using? Oct 23 2012, 20:45![]() ![]() |
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