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Bartholomew MacG...
post Apr 27 2012, 16:52
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Has there ever been a documented case of a recording sounding worse on quality home speakers because the studio monitors used to make the recording where of lower quality?
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Ethan Winer
post Apr 27 2012, 18:23
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QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 11:52) *
Has there ever been a documented case of a recording sounding worse on quality home speakers because the studio monitors used to make the recording where of lower quality?

In recent years I've become disturbed by the trend to market "pleasing sounding" speakers to pro mix engineers. These speakers have an intentional dip in the harshness range around 2 to 4 KHz - often 4 dB or even more - which makes music sound smoother and less fatiguing. So some engineers hear and buy these speakers, wrongly thinking they're "better" because they sound pleasing. This is a terrible trend IMO, because mixes made on such speakers will be overly harsh when played on better speakers. So in this sense the answer to your question is Yes.

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post Oct 23 2012, 02:10
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QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 02:53) *
QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 11:52) *
Has there ever been a documented case of a recording sounding worse on quality home speakers because the studio monitors used to make the recording where of lower quality?

In recent years I've become disturbed by the trend to market "pleasing sounding" speakers to pro mix engineers. ...

It's potentially worse than you think, Ethan. Imagine someone actively marketing to mixing studios a clone of the Auratone 5C with the commendation "full-range reference studio monitors let you hear what your mixes will sound like on real-world systems such as car stereos, computers, televisions, iPod stations and other bass-challenged systems"? unsure.gif

Too late to stop, it's already happening!
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post Oct 23 2012, 20:28
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QUOTE (tnargs @ Oct 22 2012, 21:10) *
QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 02:53) *
QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 11:52) *
Has there ever been a documented case of a recording sounding worse on quality home speakers because the studio monitors used to make the recording where of lower quality?

In recent years I've become disturbed by the trend to market "pleasing sounding" speakers to pro mix engineers. ...

It's potentially worse than you think, Ethan. Imagine someone actively marketing to mixing studios a clone of the Auratone 5C with the commendation "full-range reference studio monitors let you hear what your mixes will sound like on real-world systems such as car stereos, computers, televisions, iPod stations and other bass-challenged systems"? unsure.gif

Too late to stop, it's already happening!


Usually, monitoring on real world playback systems was reserved for post mix - usually mastering.

The historical name of the game is make the recording sound great on accurate speakers, and acceptable on crappy ones.

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- Bartholomew MacGruber   studio monitors and quality of home speakers   Apr 27 2012, 16:52
- - mixminus1   Define "worse". For years, one of the s...   Apr 27 2012, 17:49
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Apr 27 2012, 17:49) De...   Apr 30 2012, 06:18
|- - DVDdoug   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 29 2012, 2...   Apr 30 2012, 18:52
- - Ethan Winer   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1...   Apr 27 2012, 18:23
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 27 2012, 18:23) ...   Apr 30 2012, 06:22
|- - tnargs   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 02:53) ...   Oct 23 2012, 02:10
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (tnargs @ Oct 22 2012, 21:10) QUOTE...   Oct 23 2012, 20:28
- - RonaldDumsfeld   QUOTE the trend to market "pleasing sounding...   Apr 27 2012, 21:16
|- - Ethan Winer   Yes, plenty of examples. Some years back, a fellow...   Apr 28 2012, 17:02
|- - honestguv   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 18:02) ...   Apr 28 2012, 20:15
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (honestguv @ Apr 28 2012, 15:15) QU...   Apr 29 2012, 17:51
|- - markanini   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 28 2012, 17:02) ...   Apr 30 2012, 15:01
|- - tnargs   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 29 2012, 01:32) ...   Oct 23 2012, 01:56
- - tomtomthomson   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1...   Apr 30 2012, 03:22
- - Typhoon859   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 30 2012, 0...   Apr 30 2012, 08:18
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   OK, I can't remember all the places that I rea...   Apr 30 2012, 08:44
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 30 2012, 0...   Apr 30 2012, 14:29
||- - seditious3   QUOTE I also seem to remember stuff about recordin...   Oct 22 2012, 17:53
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Typhoon859 @ Apr 30 2012, 03:18) Q...   Apr 30 2012, 14:25
- - AudioKitten   Maybe this is mostly a problem with amateur master...   May 1 2012, 16:25
- - Bartholomew MacGruber   I don't know if it's ever been done before...   May 2 2012, 04:52
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ May 1 2012, 23...   May 8 2012, 13:32
|- - ktf   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 8 2012, 14...   May 8 2012, 16:03
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (ktf @ May 8 2012, 11:03) QUOTE (Ar...   May 9 2012, 14:24
|- - ktf   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 9 2012, 15...   May 9 2012, 14:38
- - _if   If you took a set of any of the good monitors (rea...   May 2 2012, 07:12
|- - stephan_g   QUOTE (_if @ May 2 2012, 07:12) If you to...   May 2 2012, 09:36
|- - Bartholomew MacGruber   QUOTE (_if @ May 2 2012, 07:12) If you to...   May 2 2012, 09:37
- - icstm   is that type of EQ adjustment was audacity type sy...   May 2 2012, 13:19
- - RonaldDumsfeld   Thanks to Ethan for going to the trouble to post t...   May 2 2012, 15:24
|- - honestguv   QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ May 2 2012, 15:24...   May 2 2012, 16:33
|- - Kees de Visser   QUOTE (honestguv @ May 2 2012, 17:33) I w...   May 2 2012, 22:38
|- - Thasp   QUOTE (honestguv @ May 2 2012, 08:33) QUO...   May 12 2012, 05:51
- - RonaldDumsfeld   To be fair Ethan did quote the test methodology. S...   May 2 2012, 18:16
- - RobWansbeck   The dips could be the result of phase cancellation...   May 5 2012, 22:45
- - krabapple   Isn't most studio monitoring on these speakers...   May 9 2012, 16:38
- - markanini   Yeah, the equilateral triangle, each side 3-6 feet...   May 10 2012, 15:18
- - lanayapiper   QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Apr 27 2012, 1...   Oct 12 2012, 13:13
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (lanayapiper @ Oct 12 2012, 08:13) ...   Oct 15 2012, 14:50
- - tnargs   QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Apr 29 2012, 01:32) ...   Oct 23 2012, 01:36
- - markanini   What are Doug Sax and Rob Ludwig using?   Oct 23 2012, 20:45


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