32-bit capable DACs, Split from: "WASAPI plug-in version 3.0 beta" (94907) |
32-bit capable DACs, Split from: "WASAPI plug-in version 3.0 beta" (94907) |
May 26 2012, 00:54
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I don't know why people obsess about 32 bit "support" when their device manufacturer clearly states that that format is not supported. The DAC chips included on Xonar soundcards are regular 24 bit chips...
IMO, 32 bit is a worthless waste of space, all the '32 bit capable' DAC chips existent today have actual resolution less than 24 bit. Their catalog data is equal or even less than the top-of-the-line 24 bit DAC. It's just shamless marketing and amazingly, enough people bite the bait. The new beta plug-in (ver 2) works fine on E-MU 1820 w/ Win7 x64 and foobar ver 1.1.12 beta 6. This post has been edited by SoNic67: May 26 2012, 01:04 |
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May 27 2012, 00:18
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But there is no ADC with such low noise -130 dBm (-160dB). -130 dB maybe. -130 dBm - science fiction. Yes, there is no ADC with this low noise level and the consequence is there is no point designing or producing ADC oder DAC that uses more than 24 Bit of (integer) sample depth. Are there ADC or DAC using 32 bit floating-point for conversation or internal format? Anyway I am saying that the physically limit of the human hearing is around 21-22 dB. Even the thermal noise of the air molecules in a 25C room is at that level. There is absolutelly no point for more than 24 bit (at 96kHz) reproduction of audio signals destined to be heard by humans. I agree with you. |
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SoNic67 32-bit capable DACs May 26 2012, 00:54
Mr.Duck QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 00:54) IMO,... May 26 2012, 13:05
lvqcl QUOTE (Mr.Duck @ May 26 2012, 16:05) Twis... May 26 2012, 13:24
Mr.Duck Maybe someone wants 32bit output to their DAC. It... May 26 2012, 13:51
saratoga QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 14:36) Foob... May 26 2012, 19:48
phofman They are obsessed because they want to be obsessed... May 26 2012, 14:58
SoNic67 QUOTE (phofman @ May 26 2012, 09:58) 32bi... May 26 2012, 19:23
IgorC QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 15:23) For ... May 26 2012, 20:03

saratoga QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 15:03) QUOTE ... May 26 2012, 20:55


IgorC QUOTE (saratoga @ May 26 2012, 16:55) THD... May 26 2012, 21:52


saratoga QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 16:52) Untill... May 26 2012, 21:58

SoNic67 QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 15:03) QUOTE ... May 26 2012, 23:44

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 18:44) DR, ... May 30 2012, 14:29

SoNic67 QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 30 2012, 09... Jun 1 2012, 01:50

saratoga QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 31 2012, 20:50) QUOT... Jun 1 2012, 02:14

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (saratoga @ May 31 2012, 21:14) QUO... Jun 1 2012, 12:13
Mr.Duck QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 19:23) For ... May 26 2012, 21:06
saratoga QUOTE (Mr.Duck @ May 26 2012, 16:06) QUOT... May 26 2012, 21:54
Mr.Duck QUOTE (saratoga @ May 26 2012, 21:54) No,... May 26 2012, 22:12
saratoga QUOTE (Mr.Duck @ May 26 2012, 17:12) how ... May 26 2012, 22:26
Jackal29a I'm quite surprised by some people's react... May 26 2012, 19:31
2Bdecided QUOTE (Jackal29a @ May 26 2012, 19:31) I... May 28 2012, 14:21
db1989 QUOTE (Jackal29a @ May 26 2012, 19:31) I... May 28 2012, 19:10
Canar QUOTE (db1989 @ May 28 2012, 11:10) (Disr... May 28 2012, 19:19
Kohlrabi QUOTE (Canar @ May 28 2012, 20:19) I foun... May 28 2012, 21:52
SoNic67 Foobar in my opinion does the right thing telling ... May 26 2012, 19:36
SoNic67 What is really representing the 32 bit support imp... May 26 2012, 19:55
SoNic67 I said that the driver is the one that "lies... May 26 2012, 20:02
saratoga QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 15:02) I sa... May 26 2012, 20:48
Jackal29a The Musiland driver doesn't lie, the USB recei... May 26 2012, 20:34
naturfreak As far as I know there is a upper physical limit o... May 26 2012, 22:01
IgorC QUOTE (naturfreak @ May 26 2012, 18:01) A... May 26 2012, 22:12
saratoga QUOTE (naturfreak @ May 26 2012, 17:01) A... May 26 2012, 22:13
naturfreak It ist even worse in the case microphones are invo... May 26 2012, 22:26
IgorC QUOTE (naturfreak @ May 26 2012, 18:26) I... May 26 2012, 22:46
2Bdecided QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 22:46) The no... May 28 2012, 14:25
IgorC QUOTE (2Bdecided @ May 28 2012, 10:25) FW... May 28 2012, 18:14

2Bdecided QUOTE (IgorC @ May 28 2012, 18:14) The me... May 29 2012, 09:35
IgorC QUOTE (2Bdecided @ May 28 2012, 10:25) bu... May 30 2012, 01:34
2Bdecided QUOTE (IgorC @ May 30 2012, 01:34) Show m... May 31 2012, 10:24
IgorC QUOTE (2Bdecided @ May 31 2012, 06:24) Qu... May 31 2012, 10:59
naturfreak I'm not talking about the level auf acoustic n... May 26 2012, 23:11
IgorC QUOTE (naturfreak @ May 26 2012, 19:11) T... May 26 2012, 23:31
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 18:31) QUOTE ... May 30 2012, 14:23
knutinh QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 30 2012, 15... Jun 1 2012, 13:36
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (knutinh @ Jun 1 2012, 08:36) QUOTE... Jun 1 2012, 13:52
knutinh QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jun 1 2012, 14... Jun 6 2012, 21:18
SoNic67 As for ADC reality:
In my E-MU 1820m I have one of... May 27 2012, 03:11
Roseval I wonder if the “32 bit DAC” has anything to do wi... May 28 2012, 17:45
saratoga QUOTE (Roseval @ May 28 2012, 12:45) Audi... May 28 2012, 19:02
Rotareneg But I needed a DAC that could accurately play back... May 29 2012, 03:23
Canar QUOTE (Rotareneg @ May 28 2012, 19:23) Bu... May 29 2012, 16:28
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Rotareneg @ May 28 2012, 22:23) Bu... May 30 2012, 14:17
greynol For me it didn't matter. I had the volume tur... May 29 2012, 18:37
SoNic67 Paralelling is done especially on passive I/V conv... Jun 3 2012, 19:20
IgorC Those are nice and probably real specifications.
... Jun 3 2012, 19:50
saratoga QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 3 2012, 14:50) The thi... Jun 3 2012, 22:11
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (saratoga @ Jun 3 2012, 17:11) QUOT... Jun 4 2012, 13:21
SoNic67 I can hear very clear sounds at -60dB (running vol... Jun 5 2012, 01:09
saratoga QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 4 2012, 20:09) I can... Jun 5 2012, 01:22
IgorC QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 4 2012, 21:09) Now..... Jun 5 2012, 03:52

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 4 2012, 22:52) THD of ... Jun 5 2012, 13:06

SoNic67 QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 4 2012, 22:52) QUOTE (... Jun 6 2012, 01:11

saratoga QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 5 2012, 20:11) QUOTE... Jun 6 2012, 02:39


Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (saratoga @ Jun 5 2012, 21:39) QUOT... Jun 6 2012, 14:10

IgorC QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 5 2012, 21:11) You d... Jun 6 2012, 21:38
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 4 2012, 20:09) I can... Jun 5 2012, 13:00
SoNic67 Sooo... In conclusion, we need 32 bit audio? Jun 7 2012, 00:20
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 6 2012, 19:20) Sooo.... Jun 7 2012, 12:48
stephan_g QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jun 5 2012, 13... Jun 7 2012, 00:46
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (stephan_g @ Jun 6 2012, 19:46) QUO... Jun 7 2012, 12:39
stephan_g The real elephant in the room is acoustics, no dou... Jun 8 2012, 17:29
nevermind QUOTE (stephan_g @ Jun 7 2012, 01:46) I w... Jun 7 2012, 01:56
pdq This is getting pretty far off from the original t... Jun 8 2012, 17:58
SoNic67 Original topic was "Do we need 32 bit DAC... Jun 10 2012, 18:33![]() ![]() |
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