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32-bit capable DACs, Split from: "WASAPI plug-in version 3.0 beta" (94907)
SoNic67
post May 26 2012, 00:54
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I don't know why people obsess about 32 bit "support" when their device manufacturer clearly states that that format is not supported. The DAC chips included on Xonar soundcards are regular 24 bit chips...
IMO, 32 bit is a worthless waste of space, all the '32 bit capable' DAC chips existent today have actual resolution less than 24 bit. Their catalog data is equal or even less than the top-of-the-line 24 bit DAC.
It's just shamless marketing and amazingly, enough people bite the bait.
The new beta plug-in (ver 2) works fine on E-MU 1820 w/ Win7 x64 and foobar ver 1.1.12 beta 6.

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post Jun 7 2012, 00:20
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Sooo... In conclusion, we need 32 bit audio?
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QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 6 2012, 19:20) *
Sooo... In conclusion, we need 32 bit audio?


We live in a world with -60 dB distortion ears, -80 dB transducers, and -100 dB or more electronics. Obviously, we need better transducers and electronics. ;-)

The problem with the realism of our recordings has nothing to do with the vanishingly low nonlinear distortion in the equipment that we have been discussing.

The frequency response curves of the headphones we've been discussion would be hilarious, if we knew what their frequency response is supposed to be. The way that the FR of these headphones is being measured is controversial to say the least.

Then there is the problem of how to mic a live performance or mix studio recordings for realism. I see no convincing arguments that anybody really knows how to do this.

So, lets continue to obsess about the parts of the chain that are already way into diminishing returns and ignore the real problem, because the real problem must to too hard.

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- SoNic67   32-bit capable DACs   May 26 2012, 00:54
- - Mr.Duck   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 00:54) IMO,...   May 26 2012, 13:05
|- - lvqcl   QUOTE (Mr.Duck @ May 26 2012, 16:05) Twis...   May 26 2012, 13:24
- - Mr.Duck   Maybe someone wants 32bit output to their DAC. It...   May 26 2012, 13:51
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 14:36) Foob...   May 26 2012, 19:48
- - phofman   They are obsessed because they want to be obsessed...   May 26 2012, 14:58
- - SoNic67   QUOTE (phofman @ May 26 2012, 09:58) 32bi...   May 26 2012, 19:23
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 15:23) For ...   May 26 2012, 20:03
||- - saratoga   QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 15:03) QUOTE ...   May 26 2012, 20:55
|||- - IgorC   QUOTE (saratoga @ May 26 2012, 16:55) THD...   May 26 2012, 21:52
|||- - saratoga   QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 16:52) Untill...   May 26 2012, 21:58
||- - SoNic67   QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 15:03) QUOTE ...   May 26 2012, 23:44
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 18:44) DR, ...   May 30 2012, 14:29
||- - SoNic67   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 30 2012, 09...   Jun 1 2012, 01:50
||- - saratoga   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 31 2012, 20:50) QUOT...   Jun 1 2012, 02:14
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (saratoga @ May 31 2012, 21:14) QUO...   Jun 1 2012, 12:13
|- - Mr.Duck   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 19:23) For ...   May 26 2012, 21:06
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (Mr.Duck @ May 26 2012, 16:06) QUOT...   May 26 2012, 21:54
|- - Mr.Duck   QUOTE (saratoga @ May 26 2012, 21:54) No,...   May 26 2012, 22:12
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (Mr.Duck @ May 26 2012, 17:12) how ...   May 26 2012, 22:26
- - Jackal29a   I'm quite surprised by some people's react...   May 26 2012, 19:31
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Jackal29a @ May 26 2012, 19:31) I...   May 28 2012, 14:21
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Jackal29a @ May 26 2012, 19:31) I...   May 28 2012, 19:10
|- - Canar   QUOTE (db1989 @ May 28 2012, 11:10) (Disr...   May 28 2012, 19:19
|- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (Canar @ May 28 2012, 20:19) I foun...   May 28 2012, 21:52
- - SoNic67   Foobar in my opinion does the right thing telling ...   May 26 2012, 19:36
- - SoNic67   What is really representing the 32 bit support imp...   May 26 2012, 19:55
- - SoNic67   I said that the driver is the one that "lies...   May 26 2012, 20:02
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ May 26 2012, 15:02) I sa...   May 26 2012, 20:48
- - Jackal29a   The Musiland driver doesn't lie, the USB recei...   May 26 2012, 20:34
- - naturfreak   As far as I know there is a upper physical limit o...   May 26 2012, 22:01
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (naturfreak @ May 26 2012, 18:01) A...   May 26 2012, 22:12
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (naturfreak @ May 26 2012, 17:01) A...   May 26 2012, 22:13
- - naturfreak   It ist even worse in the case microphones are invo...   May 26 2012, 22:26
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (naturfreak @ May 26 2012, 18:26) I...   May 26 2012, 22:46
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 22:46) The no...   May 28 2012, 14:25
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ May 28 2012, 10:25) FW...   May 28 2012, 18:14
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (IgorC @ May 28 2012, 18:14) The me...   May 29 2012, 09:35
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ May 28 2012, 10:25) bu...   May 30 2012, 01:34
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (IgorC @ May 30 2012, 01:34) Show m...   May 31 2012, 10:24
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ May 31 2012, 06:24) Qu...   May 31 2012, 10:59
- - naturfreak   I'm not talking about the level auf acoustic n...   May 26 2012, 23:11
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (naturfreak @ May 26 2012, 19:11) T...   May 26 2012, 23:31
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 18:31) QUOTE ...   May 30 2012, 14:23
|- - knutinh   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 30 2012, 15...   Jun 1 2012, 13:36
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (knutinh @ Jun 1 2012, 08:36) QUOTE...   Jun 1 2012, 13:52
|- - knutinh   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jun 1 2012, 14...   Jun 6 2012, 21:18
- - naturfreak   QUOTE (IgorC @ May 26 2012, 23:31) But th...   May 27 2012, 00:18
- - SoNic67   As for ADC reality: In my E-MU 1820m I have one of...   May 27 2012, 03:11
- - Roseval   I wonder if the “32 bit DAC” has anything to do wi...   May 28 2012, 17:45
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (Roseval @ May 28 2012, 12:45) Audi...   May 28 2012, 19:02
- - Rotareneg   But I needed a DAC that could accurately play back...   May 29 2012, 03:23
|- - Canar   QUOTE (Rotareneg @ May 28 2012, 19:23) Bu...   May 29 2012, 16:28
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Rotareneg @ May 28 2012, 22:23) Bu...   May 30 2012, 14:17
- - greynol   For me it didn't matter. I had the volume tur...   May 29 2012, 18:37
- - SoNic67   Paralelling is done especially on passive I/V conv...   Jun 3 2012, 19:20
- - IgorC   Those are nice and probably real specifications. ...   Jun 3 2012, 19:50
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 3 2012, 14:50) The thi...   Jun 3 2012, 22:11
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (saratoga @ Jun 3 2012, 17:11) QUOT...   Jun 4 2012, 13:21
- - SoNic67   I can hear very clear sounds at -60dB (running vol...   Jun 5 2012, 01:09
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 4 2012, 20:09) I can...   Jun 5 2012, 01:22
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 4 2012, 21:09) Now.....   Jun 5 2012, 03:52
||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 4 2012, 22:52) THD of ...   Jun 5 2012, 13:06
||- - SoNic67   QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 4 2012, 22:52) QUOTE (...   Jun 6 2012, 01:11
||- - saratoga   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 5 2012, 20:11) QUOTE...   Jun 6 2012, 02:39
|||- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (saratoga @ Jun 5 2012, 21:39) QUOT...   Jun 6 2012, 14:10
||- - IgorC   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 5 2012, 21:11) You d...   Jun 6 2012, 21:38
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 4 2012, 20:09) I can...   Jun 5 2012, 13:00
- - SoNic67   Sooo... In conclusion, we need 32 bit audio?   Jun 7 2012, 00:20
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (SoNic67 @ Jun 6 2012, 19:20) Sooo....   Jun 7 2012, 12:48
- - stephan_g   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jun 5 2012, 13...   Jun 7 2012, 00:46
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (stephan_g @ Jun 6 2012, 19:46) QUO...   Jun 7 2012, 12:39
|- - stephan_g   The real elephant in the room is acoustics, no dou...   Jun 8 2012, 17:29
- - nevermind   QUOTE (stephan_g @ Jun 7 2012, 01:46) I w...   Jun 7 2012, 01:56
- - pdq   This is getting pretty far off from the original t...   Jun 8 2012, 17:58
- - SoNic67   Original topic was "Do we need 32 bit DAC...   Jun 10 2012, 18:33


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