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1.1.12 ID3v2 changes - discussion, Was: "FEATURE REQUEST: The ability to disable all metadata taggin
BenB
post May 27 2012, 04:11
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FEATURE REQUEST: The ability to disable all metadata tagging within foobar

With the release of 1.1.12, the developers have seen fit to implement a new way of handling custom TXXX frames within foobar that borks them everywhere else. Frames with the same name are now renamed by appending [1],[2],[3], etc. which makes them essentially different tags and no longer able to be used as intended outside of foobar. (Maybe inside too, idk, I did a separate portable install of 1.1.12 to investigate beforehand. At least the changes were vaguely referenced in the changelog.)

Also, multiple TCON frames (genre) are now joined into one frame and separated by a "/" with no spaces. This isn't so bad if you don't already utilize forward slashes within your genres, but if you do, guess what...

Oh and using the replaygain scanner on your files will alter your tags and change them as mentioned above.


So, how about it developers? Will give give us the means to disable your ability to manipulate our files according to your whims? What you've done isn't part of the id3v2.3 standard. I've been trying to understand the tagging in foobar, but it's just impossible. On one hand there's this almost strict adherence to specifications no one else abides by, while on the other hand, there are deviations from the standard implemented that conflict with the other deviations other software/hardware developers have implemented. If foobar's tagging were a person, it'd be simultaneously OCD and schizotypal. I wish someone could explain the reasoning behind this change. Was there an angry mob clamoring for it? If so, it's not apparent in the forums.

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post May 28 2012, 10:41
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@Peter
First had to do some research as i did not know what TCON or TXXX is. I found this old ID3v2.4 wiki that helped a bit:

If i understand correctly, all other (custom) tags are TXXX?
But what does "no multiple TXXX frames with the same description" mean?
Does it result in no more support for multivalued custom tags as of 1.1.12a?
(or am i too confused to understand? in that case you can ignore the following but please explain 'same desciption': )

Assuming my assumptions are correct:
1- TCON is fine for me, GENRE has always been a single value in my tags. (But i use multivalue TXXX frames for STYLE and CATEGORY)
2- I only use foobar. It perfectly fits all my audio needs since 0.8.3. (Ripping, tagging, managment, administration and playback, kudo's to you for this wonderfull piece of software.) If i should use anything else i would be happy to see other applications recognize the standard fields mentioned in the wiki above. My TXXX frames are rather foobar specific i don't need them anywhere else.
3- If TXXX really is the custom part in TAGS, it should be as flexible as possible. If a user defines them in Advanced>Display>Properties dialog>Multivalue fields they should be treated as such. I have a bunch of multivalued TAGS like _ARTIST_GROUPS, _ARTIST_MEMBERS, _ARTIST_FEATURING, _ARTIST_REMIX... (and a lot more).
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post May 29 2012, 11:06
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QUOTE (Mod-Ular @ May 28 2012, 11:41) *
...or am i too confused to understand


I guess i am more than just a bit confused, but i am learning (slowly). Didn't know there was such a confusion about tagframes. blink.gif

Now i got a choice:
a- Just trust the foobar developpers (as i have been doing for years)
b- Or study some more to devellop my own opinion like a true nerd, and afterwards, euhm put my faith in Peter and the team.

B it will Be. happy.gif
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- BenB   1.1.12 ID3v2 changes - discussion   May 27 2012, 04:11
- - Peter   If you insist that this behavior is problematic fo...   May 27 2012, 07:37
|- - tagtypedisplay   I'm confused. Is f2k's implementation of R...   May 27 2012, 07:44
- - db1989   If you’d actually read the initial post, you’d kno...   May 27 2012, 12:50
|- - tagtypedisplay   QUOTE (db1989 @ May 27 2012, 13:50) If yo...   May 27 2012, 13:47
- - tpijag   Using the ReplayGain scanner writes to replaygain ...   May 27 2012, 13:53
- - Peter   PS I'd like to know: * How exactly you tag you...   May 28 2012, 08:50
- - neothe0ne   The thing that really annoyed me was that upgradin...   May 28 2012, 10:37
- - Mod-Ular   @Peter First had to do some research as i did not ...   May 28 2012, 10:41
|- - mrinferno   having the same issue myself with 1.1.12a. i didn...   May 28 2012, 15:33
|- - Mod-Ular   QUOTE (Mod-Ular @ May 28 2012, 11:41...   May 29 2012, 11:06
- - montyview   Apologies if hijacking thread, but I think this is...   May 28 2012, 18:35
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (mrinferno @ May 28 2012, 16:33) I ...   May 28 2012, 21:14
- - godrick   ID3v2.3 is terrible...except for all of the curren...   May 28 2012, 22:54
|- - wolfsong   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 15:54) I ho...   May 29 2012, 07:26
|- - neothe0ne   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 17:54) Edit...   May 31 2012, 14:08
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (godrick @ May 28 2012, 23:54) Thus...   May 29 2012, 17:12
- - q-stankovic   As i didn't use multiple genres i decided to t...   May 30 2012, 22:16
- - godrick   q-stankovic, I share much of your frustration with...   May 31 2012, 01:15
- - Peter   Thanks for all your feedback. Regarding TPE2 Albu...   May 31 2012, 11:01
|- - MordredKLB   QUOTE (Peter @ May 31 2012, 05:01) Regard...   Jun 1 2012, 07:17
- - q-stankovic   QUOTE (Peter @ May 31 2012, 12:01) Regard...   May 31 2012, 19:00
- - kode54   id3lib does not enforce proper frame formatting, i...   Jun 2 2012, 01:33
- - MordredKLB   QUOTE (kode54 @ Jun 1 2012, 19:33) id3lib...   Jun 2 2012, 02:24


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