Using all that CD has to offer?, What types of music and specific discs use the full bits and freq. |
Using all that CD has to offer?, What types of music and specific discs use the full bits and freq. |
Jun 8 2012, 05:13
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(i'm probably oversimplifying this in my ignorance about it)
Dynamic range of analogue vs digital cannot be compared so easily either - the former can provide subjectively useable dynamic range which exceeds that of its digital equivalent, because it 'fails gracefully' above its rated maximum range, continuing to capture information which, in the digital domain, would have simply been truncated (resulting in a clipped waveform). You're looking at the wrong end. Where is the noise floor? As a delivery format 16 bits is sufficient in storing this information. With the vast majority of the music out there and especially from the artists referenced in this discussion this can be done with fewer than 16 bits. This got me wondering what styles of music generally do use the full bandwidth and bit-width available on CDs? The bits provide the dynamic range, yes? So classical would be more likely to take advantage of all 16 bits than rock recordings? What about frequency response? What types of music are likely to span that 18.5hz - 22.5khz range? Electronic? Classical again? Anyone have an specific discs that utilize all the bandwidth and bits that CD has to offer? As an aside, i do remember reading a subwoofer shootout in some magazine where they measured some CDs as going down to 16hz. Doesn't that go below the limits of CDs? Were they probably just listening to reflections? Thanks -------------------- Music lover and recovering high end audiophile
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Jun 13 2012, 13:16
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Oh FFS, I was continuing with the joke; but seriously, you can't possibly find it inconceivable that one could end a track with a digitally-generated reverb tail which could make use of the increased bit depth causing an audible difference when amplified by an unreasonable amount for normal playback?
This post has been edited by greynol: Jun 13 2012, 13:18 -------------------- Everything sounds the same until it is proven otherwise.
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Jun 13 2012, 16:14
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Oh FFS, I was continuing with the joke; but seriously, you can't possibly find it inconceivable that one could end a track with a digitally-generated reverb tail which could make use of the increased bit depth causing an audible difference when amplified by an unreasonable amount for normal playback? You don't have to generate a thing - just do a really long fade out, and it will make the naturally-occurring reverb tail look like its setting new records for dynamic range. |
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BearcatSandor Using all that CD has to offer? Jun 8 2012, 05:13
pdq AFAIK there is no lower limit to frequencies allow... Jun 8 2012, 11:24
pawelq QUOTE (pdq @ Jun 8 2012, 06:24) AFAIK the... Jun 8 2012, 14:04
dhromed Lots of electronic music trivially uses the entire... Jun 8 2012, 11:52
Brand QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Jun 8 2012, 06:13)... Jun 8 2012, 11:55
knutinh Q: What music use all of the bits that CD has to o... Jun 8 2012, 12:32
db1989 QUOTE (knutinh @ Jun 8 2012, 12:32) Q: Wh... Jun 8 2012, 12:36
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Jun 8 2012, 00:13)... Jun 8 2012, 13:12
dhromed QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jun 8 2012, 14... Jun 8 2012, 14:23
knutinh QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jun 8 2012, 14... Jun 8 2012, 22:18
pdq As an aside, does anyone know the lowest frequency... Jun 8 2012, 13:53
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (pdq @ Jun 8 2012, 08:53) As an asi... Jun 8 2012, 15:30
DonP QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jun 8 2012, 10... Jun 8 2012, 19:01
greynol Why aren't we also considering the limitations... Jun 8 2012, 15:09
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 8 2012, 10:09) Why a... Jun 8 2012, 15:25
greynol It was in direct reply to the following:
QUOTE (Ar... Jun 8 2012, 19:26
greynol Depends on the source material. Some genres fare ... Jun 8 2012, 15:39
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 8 2012, 10:39) Rathe... Jun 8 2012, 17:15
DonP QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 8 2012, 10:39) Rathe... Jun 8 2012, 19:21
greynol Let's not make this discussion about any parti... Jun 8 2012, 17:18
naturfreak QUOTE (pdq @ Jun 8 2012, 11:24) AFAIK the... Jun 8 2012, 19:56
BearcatSandor I think i might be confusing two things: the inten... Jun 8 2012, 23:19
stephan_g QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Jun 8 2012, 23:19)... Jun 9 2012, 00:28
greynol QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Jun 8 2012, 15:19)... Jun 9 2012, 00:28
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Jun 8 2012, 18:19)... Jun 9 2012, 11:53
dhromed QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Jun 9 2012, 00:19)... Jun 9 2012, 12:30
greynol I assumed it was a typo and thought he was talking... Jun 9 2012, 16:45
BearcatSandor Ah, i see where i screwed up. Thanks folks. Grey... Jun 9 2012, 22:16
stephan_g QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Jun 9 2012, 22:16)... Jun 10 2012, 13:28
greynol 44.1kHz is how many samples there are in a second.... Jun 9 2012, 22:35
mzil QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 9 2012, 17:35) 44.1k... Jun 10 2012, 20:43
db1989 QUOTE (mzil @ Jun 10 2012, 20:43) […] can... Jun 10 2012, 20:58
mzil So our CD audio sampling rate could have been 40.5... Jun 10 2012, 21:28
greynol Actually there is no reason why a CD can't pro... Jun 10 2012, 21:55
lvqcl QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 11 2012, 00:55) it c... Jun 10 2012, 22:01
greynol Of course not! Jun 10 2012, 22:11
DVDdoug QUOTE This got me wondering what styles of music g... Jun 12 2012, 20:54
Porcus Well CD can give you some very impressively silent... Jun 12 2012, 21:20
greynol ...and reverb tails. Better still with high-rez... Jun 12 2012, 21:53
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 12 2012, 16:53) ...a... Jun 13 2012, 12:43
stephan_g Back in the olden days this kind of signal actuall... Jun 13 2012, 13:40
krabapple QUOTE (stephan_g @ Jun 13 2012, 08:40) On... Jun 13 2012, 15:52

mzil QUOTE (krabapple @ Jun 13 2012, 10:52) QU... Jun 13 2012, 17:32
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (stephan_g @ Jun 13 2012, 08:40) Ba... Jun 13 2012, 16:55
Stone Free QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jun 13 2012, 16... Jun 14 2012, 16:29
pdq "Nights in White Satin" was an experimen... Jun 13 2012, 13:57
Nessuno QUOTE (pdq @ Jun 13 2012, 14:57) I haven... Jun 13 2012, 14:46
stephan_g I bought this one new a few years ago, and it seem... Jun 14 2012, 21:04![]() ![]() |
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