Are high sample rates better for DSP? |
Are high sample rates better for DSP? |
Jun 10 2012, 20:13
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I've read many times that audio plug-ins such as equalizers work better at higher sample rates, even if audio generally doesn't benefit. It seems unlikely that there's a practical advantage to up-sampling all your files, or recording at 96 KHz in the first place, but is there a potential theoretical improvement? Or is this just another Internet myth?
--Ethan -------------------- I believe in Truth, Justice, and the Scientific Method
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Jun 12 2012, 17:59
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I know the unofficial mantra around here is all things sound the same unless proven otherwise, but all I can say is wow, just wow. When I was an engineer we always joked about something working on an infinite sample of one.
You've tested a couple of DSP operations on extremely trivial single-tone samples and are now willing to make such a sweeping generalization?!? I hope you don't plan on presenting this in public as things might get more than a little embarrassing for you. This post has been edited by greynol: Jun 12 2012, 18:48 -------------------- Everything sounds the same until it is proven otherwise.
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Jun 12 2012, 19:35
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You've tested a couple of DSP operations on extremely trivial single-tone samples and are now willing to make such a sweeping generalization?!? No plans to present this in public. I posted this question because a friend asked me about it and I wasn't sure, so I figured I'd ask the experts. Me, I'll be satisfied to hear a good explanation of why EQ works better on 96 KHz audio files than files at 44.1 KHz. I'll be even happier to see an FFT or other data, or even a pair of audio files to compare. Whaddya got? --Ethan -------------------- I believe in Truth, Justice, and the Scientific Method
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Jun 12 2012, 21:12
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Me, I'll be satisfied to hear a good explanation of why EQ works better on 96 KHz audio files than files at 44.1 KHz. Resampling is accomplished by applying a filter. If you resample to a higher sampling rate, then apply an EQ, effectively the length of the filter in the EQ is expanded by the length of the filter in the resampler. Thus, you're essentially using a filter with more taps, which if properly designed (e.g. a good resampler), will give 'better' (or at least different) results then a filter with fewer taps. Of course if the EQ is already properly designed for its application, changing it is unlikely to improve things. |
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Ethan Winer Are high sample rates better for DSP? Jun 10 2012, 20:13
knutinh The higher the sample-rate, the better any approxi... Jun 10 2012, 20:46
lvqcl Here is an example of such filter (with explanatio... Jun 10 2012, 20:56
benski Yes, many filters work better with higher sampling... Jun 10 2012, 21:17
Ethan Winer QUOTE (knutinh @ Jun 10 2012, 15:46) The ... Jun 11 2012, 17:18
saratoga If your software is good, it should be upsampling ... Jun 11 2012, 17:53
drewfx QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Jun 11 2012, 12:18) ... Jun 11 2012, 19:11
Ethan Winer QUOTE (saratoga @ Jun 11 2012, 12:53) If ... Jun 12 2012, 17:46
extrabigmehdi QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Jun 12 2012, 16:46) ... Jun 12 2012, 18:15
xnor Many EQs use simple bilinear-transformed filters (... Jun 11 2012, 01:37
Woodinville In addition to the warping one sees in a bilinear ... Jun 11 2012, 01:46
extrabigmehdi That's interesting, so basically if you want ... Jun 11 2012, 02:30
bandpass QUOTE (knutinh @ Jun 10 2012, 20:46) The ... Jun 11 2012, 08:00
knutinh QUOTE (bandpass @ Jun 11 2012, 09:00) Tru... Jun 11 2012, 08:30
bandpass From a practical perspective, a particular effect/... Jun 11 2012, 09:59
knutinh QUOTE (bandpass @ Jun 11 2012, 10:59) ...... Jun 11 2012, 11:55
drewfx QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Jun 12 2012, 14:35) ... Jun 12 2012, 20:29
Ethan Winer Thanks Drew for some hard evidence. Can you explai... Jun 12 2012, 22:46

benski It's mostly that the shape (aka Q) is going to... Jun 12 2012, 23:39

drewfx QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Jun 12 2012, 17:46) ... Jun 13 2012, 01:52

andy o I'm guessing these are the reasons why A/V rec... Jun 13 2012, 03:27


Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (andy o @ Jun 12 2012, 22:27) I... Jun 25 2012, 13:10


Woodinville QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jun 25 2012, 05... Jun 27 2012, 21:59

Ethan Winer QUOTE (drewfx @ Jun 12 2012, 20:52) The 1... Jun 13 2012, 19:55
Woodinville QUOTE (saratoga @ Jun 12 2012, 13:12) QUO... Jun 13 2012, 01:22
greynol Have you read the responses to your topic?
I want... Jun 12 2012, 19:42
greynol As for the "it's best to record at 96kHz ... Jun 13 2012, 00:53![]() ![]() |
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