Why’s FLAC ‘the’ lossless codec? Is it future-proof(able)? Comparisons, [TOS #6: was “Future proof lossless audio/codec” in General Audio] |
Why’s FLAC ‘the’ lossless codec? Is it future-proof(able)? Comparisons, [TOS #6: was “Future proof lossless audio/codec” in General Audio] |
Jun 23 2012, 18:03
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I am trying to understand why is FLAC standardizing in the lossless world? Reading here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of...chnical_details isn't True Audio more future proof? All these channels and huge range, isn't it the "best" option for the next "100 years"?
If one day everyone will start using FLAC, will there be a way to expand the number of channels available? For expample the "new new" 12.1 Surround System or whatever they will come up with. Just some thoughts, don't want to get anyone upset, I use FLAC and I love it. Thanks. This post has been edited by eahm: Jun 23 2012, 18:03 |
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Jun 25 2012, 13:59
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TAK Developer Group: Developer Posts: 1043 Joined: 1-April 06 Member No.: 29051 |
Earlier in the thread , TBeck warns against that comparison where his codec performed also outperformed FLAC by larger margin than usual, on the grounds of the test corpus which included lossy sources.Since i have read several reports of commercial CDs containing probably lossy compressed audio, i think it's ok to have a few such files in a larger test corpus, but they should contribute only a bit to the sum results. Also (and as you implied), there’s little point in making lossless encoding better at representing something that has already been processed by a lossy codec. Transcoding is bad, m’mkay? I don't think it's totally irrelevant if a codec can compress such files well. Files with very high sampling rates like 192 KHz also "appear" low passed because there is so little natural high frequency content. Accordingly TAK compresses them very well. This is not always true for files converted from a DSD-source, where the conversion process seems to add a lot of high frequency noise. |
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Jun 25 2012, 16:10
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This is not always true for files converted from a DSD-source, where the conversion process seems to add a lot of high frequency noise. It's not the decoding - this is inherent to DSD, being a heavily noise-shaped 1-bit format. Results would be expected to vary depending on how fancy the noise shaper was. How's TAK's handling of 24-bit files? FLAC doesn't compress these too well. |
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eahm Why’s FLAC ‘the’ lossless codec? Is it future-proof(able)? Comparisons Jun 23 2012, 18:03
saratoga If people wanted more channels they'd just upd... Jun 23 2012, 19:04
Debby747 I use and prefer WavPack for its features.
The re... Jun 23 2012, 19:26
lvqcl Why care about future? FLAC is lossless and DRM-fr... Jun 23 2012, 19:51
felix26591 I don't know about the channels, but flac is i... Jun 23 2012, 20:39
Kohlrabi QUOTE (felix26591 @ Jun 23 2012, 21:39) I... Jun 23 2012, 20:43
2012 QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jun 23 2012, 20:43) QUO... Jun 23 2012, 21:55
eahm QUOTE (Debby747 @ Jun 23 2012, 11:26) I u... Jun 23 2012, 20:48
skamp QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 23 2012, 21:48) In my o... Jun 23 2012, 21:07

IgorC QUOTE (skamp @ Jun 23 2012, 17:07) Techni... Jun 23 2012, 23:22

skamp QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 00:22) Is 3%... Jun 24 2012, 08:53

Porcus @ Greynol: you don't seem to get the point. I ... Jun 24 2012, 10:57


greynol QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 24 2012, 02:57) @ Gre... Jun 24 2012, 17:28

Dario QUOTE (skamp @ Jun 23 2012, 22:07) Techni... Jun 24 2012, 16:36


greynol QUOTE (Dario @ Jun 24 2012, 08:36) The co... Jun 24 2012, 17:31


Porcus QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 24 2012, 18:31) QUOT... Jun 24 2012, 18:04

skamp QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 00:22) Is 3%... Jun 25 2012, 09:31

skamp QUOTE (skamp @ Jun 25 2012, 10:31) Well, ... Jun 25 2012, 11:46
db1989 QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 23 2012, 20:48) QUOTE (... Jun 23 2012, 21:28
lvqcl IMO a codec that supports 4GHz samplerate is not b... Jun 23 2012, 21:08
Porcus If I were dictator and could order specifications ... Jun 23 2012, 21:50
db1989 QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 23 2012, 21:50) First... Jun 23 2012, 22:26
greynol QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 23 2012, 13:50) (AFAI... Jun 23 2012, 22:49

Porcus QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 23 2012, 23:49) QUOT... Jun 23 2012, 23:28
bryant QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 23 2012, 12:50) I hav... Jun 24 2012, 22:47
Porcus @ Bryant:
Thanks for enlightening.
And well ma... Jun 25 2012, 01:01
greynol MAC at it's weakest setting compresses better ... Jun 23 2012, 23:49
yourlord FLAC was early on the scene. Performance is good e... Jun 24 2012, 01:01
Takla Some other factors which imo made/make for widespr... Jun 24 2012, 01:13
eahm I am not talking about speed, compression, hardwar... Jun 24 2012, 01:54
Takla That's fine but most people, even music lovers... Jun 24 2012, 02:52
dumdidum QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 23 2012, 22:50) First... Jun 24 2012, 16:35
IgorC Those are old results (2006)
The last comparison ... Jun 24 2012, 18:21
Porcus QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 19:21) Those ... Jun 24 2012, 18:52
IgorC QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 24 2012, 14:52) That... Jun 24 2012, 18:57
greynol Thanks. I see 6% there, not 8% though.
Re: Old r... Jun 24 2012, 18:23
IgorC http://www.synthetic-soul.co.uk/comparison...sion... Jun 24 2012, 18:29
greynol That doesn't change the fact that much has cha... Jun 24 2012, 18:54
Destroid I'm late to the discussion so I am starting wi... Jun 24 2012, 19:01
Porcus @ Destroid: a few good points, although I don... Jun 24 2012, 20:06
TBeck QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 19:29) http:/... Jun 24 2012, 19:19
IgorC QUOTE (TBeck @ Jun 24 2012, 15:19) But it... Jun 24 2012, 19:53

greynol QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 11:53) FLAC/T... Jun 24 2012, 20:03
Porcus QUOTE (TBeck @ Jun 24 2012, 20:19) many f... Jun 24 2012, 19:54
greynol Personally I only care how comparisons fare agains... Jun 24 2012, 19:51
Dario Well, I don’t know what kind of albums you g... Jun 24 2012, 20:21
IgorC QUOTE (Dario @ Jun 24 2012, 16:21) Well, ... Jun 24 2012, 20:25

Dario QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 21:25) QUOTE ... Jun 24 2012, 20:36
Porcus QUOTE (Dario @ Jun 24 2012, 21:21) Well, ... Jun 24 2012, 21:25

db1989 QUOTE (Dario @ Jun 24 2012, 20:21) I list... Jun 25 2012, 06:53
IgorC QUOTE (Dario @ Jun 24 2012, 16:21) I list... Jun 24 2012, 22:23
Destroid @Porcus Ah, is true. The average user sometimes is... Jun 24 2012, 20:36
IgorC I have encoded two sets of samples from two last p... Jun 24 2012, 21:49
TBeck QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 24 2012, 20:51) Pers... Jun 24 2012, 23:31
Dario Here’s a 30-second sample of the album I was talki... Jun 25 2012, 11:39
lvqcl Apparent lowpass at 13...14 kHz and other signs of... Jun 25 2012, 11:45
Dario QUOTE (lvqcl @ Jun 25 2012, 12:45) Appare... Jun 25 2012, 12:00
Porcus I am not surprised that a demo from a one-man-band... Jun 25 2012, 12:24
db1989 QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 25 2012, 12:24) (That... Jun 25 2012, 12:36
Porcus The Vŕli upload has a peak of only 0.82, and is fr... Jun 25 2012, 11:52
lvqcl Half a year ago I took 7 albums from my music coll... Jun 25 2012, 13:19
JJZolx QUOTE (lvqcl @ Jun 25 2012, 06:19) Half a... Jun 25 2012, 16:55
smok3 as far as longevity goes, i'd use whatever app... Jun 25 2012, 13:26
benski QUOTE (stephan_g @ Jun 25 2012, 11:10) Ho... Jun 25 2012, 16:43
pdq I doubt that any lossless encoder would do well wi... Jun 25 2012, 16:38
Porcus QUOTE (pdq @ Jun 25 2012, 17:38) I doubt ... Jun 25 2012, 17:31
db1989 Does Josh ever still, or have any intention to eve... Jun 25 2012, 16:49
eahm QUOTE (stephan_g @ Jun 25 2012, 08:10) Ho... Jun 25 2012, 17:13
benski QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 25 2012, 12:13) QUOTE (... Jun 25 2012, 17:39
IgorC QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 25 2012, 13:13) Going b... Jun 25 2012, 18:32
db1989 Yes, quality has nothing to do with it. eahm seems... Jun 25 2012, 18:41
skamp QUOTE (db1989 @ Jun 25 2012, 19:41) numer... Jun 25 2012, 18:50
eahm QUOTE (db1989 @ Jun 25 2012, 10:41) Yes, ... Jun 25 2012, 18:47
IgorC QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 25 2012, 14:47) it... Jun 25 2012, 18:59
lvqcl TTA is more future-proof than FLAC, Itanium is mor... Jun 25 2012, 19:14
eahm QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 25 2012, 10:59) QUOTE ... Jun 25 2012, 19:15
saratoga QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 25 2012, 14:15) QUOTE (... Jun 25 2012, 19:35
JJZolx QUOTE (saratoga @ Jun 25 2012, 12:35) Hop... Jun 25 2012, 19:43
lvqcl QUOTE (JJZolx @ Jun 25 2012, 22:43) It wo... Jun 25 2012, 19:50
saratoga QUOTE (JJZolx @ Jun 25 2012, 14:43) QUOTE... Jun 25 2012, 19:58
IgorC It might be the case that the next step will be no... Jun 25 2012, 20:00
Porcus QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 25 2012, 21:00) It mig... Jun 25 2012, 20:06
benski QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 25 2012, 15:06) QUOTE... Jun 25 2012, 20:14
Porcus QUOTE (benski @ Jun 25 2012, 21:14) QUOTE... Jun 25 2012, 20:41
eahm QUOTE (lvqcl @ Jun 25 2012, 11:14) TTA is... Jun 25 2012, 20:23
hlloyge To return to the original question, I think EAC ha... Jun 25 2012, 22:41
Porcus QUOTE (hlloyge @ Jun 25 2012, 23:41) To r... Jun 25 2012, 23:23
greynol Nah, EAC has had (and still has) internal support ... Jun 25 2012, 23:20
saratoga QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 25 2012, 18:20) I am... Jun 25 2012, 23:42
lvqcl From 2009 ripping/encoding general poll: Jun 26 2012, 00:14
krafty I think FLAC is popular because it was on the inte... Jun 26 2012, 00:34
greynol QUOTE (krafty @ Jun 25 2012, 16:34) I thi... Jun 26 2012, 04:08
Destroid Which I guess brings the question of, "How ea... Jun 26 2012, 01:18
saratoga QUOTE (Destroid @ Jun 25 2012, 20:18) Whi... Jun 26 2012, 01:36
onkl FLAC has a nice sounding name. I believe one of th... Jun 26 2012, 04:32
Zarggg One could argue that "WMA" and "AAC... Jun 27 2012, 07:39
bandpass Onkl's point was that the names are nicer soun... Jun 27 2012, 08:36
Porcus So, what's in a name?
yalike, Offer my4ay? a... Jun 27 2012, 08:39![]() ![]() |
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