Why’s FLAC ‘the’ lossless codec? Is it future-proof(able)? Comparisons, [TOS #6: was “Future proof lossless audio/codec” in General Audio] |
Why’s FLAC ‘the’ lossless codec? Is it future-proof(able)? Comparisons, [TOS #6: was “Future proof lossless audio/codec” in General Audio] |
Jun 23 2012, 18:03
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I am trying to understand why is FLAC standardizing in the lossless world? Reading here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of...chnical_details isn't True Audio more future proof? All these channels and huge range, isn't it the "best" option for the next "100 years"?
If one day everyone will start using FLAC, will there be a way to expand the number of channels available? For expample the "new new" 12.1 Surround System or whatever they will come up with. Just some thoughts, don't want to get anyone upset, I use FLAC and I love it. Thanks. This post has been edited by eahm: Jun 23 2012, 18:03 |
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Jun 25 2012, 19:15
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it's inevitable in 10 years we will have to switch FLAC to something else when people will start wondering why no one use 64bit audio etc. etc. Same story repeating. A sound can be recorded with 20-22 bits resolution in best case. This is why 24 bits is already overkill. A humanity won't need more than 24 bits in any circunstance. Quoting from way back: a codec for everything. Will studio production ever need 64bit? What about 128bit? I have a 32/192 album so...someone does produce in >24bit audio. MP3 is 19 years old, I am thinking 20 even 30 years ahead. The matter is not even this anymore, I completely understand what everyone means, "who cares about the future" was actually the best answer, let's enjoy what we have now and worry about new codecs/formats later. I am starting few companies and life in a completely different country the other side of the world and we just had a baby, I guess I am thinking for him now, what I have to fill my hard drive with to let him enjoy full audio experience without worry about replacing everything when he's 20 years old. I guess... This post has been edited by eahm: Jun 25 2012, 19:20 |
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Jun 25 2012, 19:35
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it's inevitable in 10 years we will have to switch FLAC to something else when people will start wondering why no one use 64bit audio etc. etc. Same story repeating. A sound can be recorded with 20-22 bits resolution in best case. This is why 24 bits is already overkill. A humanity won't need more than 24 bits in any circunstance. Quoting from way back: a codec for everything. Will studio production ever need 64bit? What about 128bit? I have a 32/192 album so...someone does produce in >24bit audio. To be clear, the most you can record is ~20 bits. So while someone can save something in 1024 bit PCM if they want, there is not going to be actual information in those bits. So a distribution format supporting it would indeed be completely pointless, and this is not something that will change in the future. MP3 is 19 years old, I am thinking 20 even 30 years ahead. Hopefully 30 years from now FLAC will be obsolete because mathematics and computers will have advanced enough that we have more efficient lossless formats available then anything we have access to now. But it won't be due to limitations on things like PCM format. |
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eahm Why’s FLAC ‘the’ lossless codec? Is it future-proof(able)? Comparisons Jun 23 2012, 18:03
saratoga If people wanted more channels they'd just upd... Jun 23 2012, 19:04
Debby747 I use and prefer WavPack for its features.
The re... Jun 23 2012, 19:26
lvqcl Why care about future? FLAC is lossless and DRM-fr... Jun 23 2012, 19:51
felix26591 I don't know about the channels, but flac is i... Jun 23 2012, 20:39
Kohlrabi QUOTE (felix26591 @ Jun 23 2012, 21:39) I... Jun 23 2012, 20:43
2012 QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jun 23 2012, 20:43) QUO... Jun 23 2012, 21:55
eahm QUOTE (Debby747 @ Jun 23 2012, 11:26) I u... Jun 23 2012, 20:48
skamp QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 23 2012, 21:48) In my o... Jun 23 2012, 21:07

IgorC QUOTE (skamp @ Jun 23 2012, 17:07) Techni... Jun 23 2012, 23:22

skamp QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 00:22) Is 3%... Jun 24 2012, 08:53

Porcus @ Greynol: you don't seem to get the point. I ... Jun 24 2012, 10:57


greynol QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 24 2012, 02:57) @ Gre... Jun 24 2012, 17:28

Dario QUOTE (skamp @ Jun 23 2012, 22:07) Techni... Jun 24 2012, 16:36


greynol QUOTE (Dario @ Jun 24 2012, 08:36) The co... Jun 24 2012, 17:31


Porcus QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 24 2012, 18:31) QUOT... Jun 24 2012, 18:04

skamp QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 00:22) Is 3%... Jun 25 2012, 09:31

skamp QUOTE (skamp @ Jun 25 2012, 10:31) Well, ... Jun 25 2012, 11:46
db1989 QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 23 2012, 20:48) QUOTE (... Jun 23 2012, 21:28
lvqcl IMO a codec that supports 4GHz samplerate is not b... Jun 23 2012, 21:08
Porcus If I were dictator and could order specifications ... Jun 23 2012, 21:50
db1989 QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 23 2012, 21:50) First... Jun 23 2012, 22:26
greynol QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 23 2012, 13:50) (AFAI... Jun 23 2012, 22:49

Porcus QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 23 2012, 23:49) QUOT... Jun 23 2012, 23:28
bryant QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 23 2012, 12:50) I hav... Jun 24 2012, 22:47
Porcus @ Bryant:
Thanks for enlightening.
And well ma... Jun 25 2012, 01:01
greynol MAC at it's weakest setting compresses better ... Jun 23 2012, 23:49
yourlord FLAC was early on the scene. Performance is good e... Jun 24 2012, 01:01
Takla Some other factors which imo made/make for widespr... Jun 24 2012, 01:13
eahm I am not talking about speed, compression, hardwar... Jun 24 2012, 01:54
Takla That's fine but most people, even music lovers... Jun 24 2012, 02:52
dumdidum QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 23 2012, 22:50) First... Jun 24 2012, 16:35
IgorC Those are old results (2006)
The last comparison ... Jun 24 2012, 18:21
Porcus QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 19:21) Those ... Jun 24 2012, 18:52
IgorC QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 24 2012, 14:52) That... Jun 24 2012, 18:57
greynol Thanks. I see 6% there, not 8% though.
Re: Old r... Jun 24 2012, 18:23
IgorC http://www.synthetic-soul.co.uk/comparison...sion... Jun 24 2012, 18:29
greynol That doesn't change the fact that much has cha... Jun 24 2012, 18:54
Destroid I'm late to the discussion so I am starting wi... Jun 24 2012, 19:01
Porcus @ Destroid: a few good points, although I don... Jun 24 2012, 20:06
TBeck QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 19:29) http:/... Jun 24 2012, 19:19
IgorC QUOTE (TBeck @ Jun 24 2012, 15:19) But it... Jun 24 2012, 19:53

greynol QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 11:53) FLAC/T... Jun 24 2012, 20:03
Porcus QUOTE (TBeck @ Jun 24 2012, 20:19) many f... Jun 24 2012, 19:54
greynol Personally I only care how comparisons fare agains... Jun 24 2012, 19:51
Dario Well, I don’t know what kind of albums you g... Jun 24 2012, 20:21
IgorC QUOTE (Dario @ Jun 24 2012, 16:21) Well, ... Jun 24 2012, 20:25

Dario QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 24 2012, 21:25) QUOTE ... Jun 24 2012, 20:36
Porcus QUOTE (Dario @ Jun 24 2012, 21:21) Well, ... Jun 24 2012, 21:25

db1989 QUOTE (Dario @ Jun 24 2012, 20:21) I list... Jun 25 2012, 06:53
IgorC QUOTE (Dario @ Jun 24 2012, 16:21) I list... Jun 24 2012, 22:23
Destroid @Porcus Ah, is true. The average user sometimes is... Jun 24 2012, 20:36
IgorC I have encoded two sets of samples from two last p... Jun 24 2012, 21:49
TBeck QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 24 2012, 20:51) Pers... Jun 24 2012, 23:31
Dario Here’s a 30-second sample of the album I was talki... Jun 25 2012, 11:39
lvqcl Apparent lowpass at 13...14 kHz and other signs of... Jun 25 2012, 11:45
Dario QUOTE (lvqcl @ Jun 25 2012, 12:45) Appare... Jun 25 2012, 12:00
Porcus I am not surprised that a demo from a one-man-band... Jun 25 2012, 12:24
db1989 QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 25 2012, 12:24) (That... Jun 25 2012, 12:36
Porcus The Vàli upload has a peak of only 0.82, and is fr... Jun 25 2012, 11:52
lvqcl Half a year ago I took 7 albums from my music coll... Jun 25 2012, 13:19
JJZolx QUOTE (lvqcl @ Jun 25 2012, 06:19) Half a... Jun 25 2012, 16:55
smok3 as far as longevity goes, i'd use whatever app... Jun 25 2012, 13:26
TBeck QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 25 2012, 13:24) Earli... Jun 25 2012, 13:59
stephan_g QUOTE (TBeck @ Jun 25 2012, 14:59) This i... Jun 25 2012, 16:10
benski QUOTE (stephan_g @ Jun 25 2012, 11:10) Ho... Jun 25 2012, 16:43
pdq I doubt that any lossless encoder would do well wi... Jun 25 2012, 16:38
Porcus QUOTE (pdq @ Jun 25 2012, 17:38) I doubt ... Jun 25 2012, 17:31
db1989 Does Josh ever still, or have any intention to eve... Jun 25 2012, 16:49
eahm QUOTE (stephan_g @ Jun 25 2012, 08:10) Ho... Jun 25 2012, 17:13
benski QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 25 2012, 12:13) QUOTE (... Jun 25 2012, 17:39
IgorC QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 25 2012, 13:13) Going b... Jun 25 2012, 18:32
db1989 Yes, quality has nothing to do with it. eahm seems... Jun 25 2012, 18:41
skamp QUOTE (db1989 @ Jun 25 2012, 19:41) numer... Jun 25 2012, 18:50
eahm QUOTE (db1989 @ Jun 25 2012, 10:41) Yes, ... Jun 25 2012, 18:47
IgorC QUOTE (eahm @ Jun 25 2012, 14:47) it... Jun 25 2012, 18:59
lvqcl TTA is more future-proof than FLAC, Itanium is mor... Jun 25 2012, 19:14
JJZolx QUOTE (saratoga @ Jun 25 2012, 12:35) Hop... Jun 25 2012, 19:43
lvqcl QUOTE (JJZolx @ Jun 25 2012, 22:43) It wo... Jun 25 2012, 19:50
saratoga QUOTE (JJZolx @ Jun 25 2012, 14:43) QUOTE... Jun 25 2012, 19:58
IgorC It might be the case that the next step will be no... Jun 25 2012, 20:00
Porcus QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 25 2012, 21:00) It mig... Jun 25 2012, 20:06
benski QUOTE (Porcus @ Jun 25 2012, 15:06) QUOTE... Jun 25 2012, 20:14
Porcus QUOTE (benski @ Jun 25 2012, 21:14) QUOTE... Jun 25 2012, 20:41
eahm QUOTE (lvqcl @ Jun 25 2012, 11:14) TTA is... Jun 25 2012, 20:23
hlloyge To return to the original question, I think EAC ha... Jun 25 2012, 22:41
Porcus QUOTE (hlloyge @ Jun 25 2012, 23:41) To r... Jun 25 2012, 23:23
greynol Nah, EAC has had (and still has) internal support ... Jun 25 2012, 23:20
saratoga QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 25 2012, 18:20) I am... Jun 25 2012, 23:42
lvqcl From 2009 ripping/encoding general poll: Jun 26 2012, 00:14
krafty I think FLAC is popular because it was on the inte... Jun 26 2012, 00:34
greynol QUOTE (krafty @ Jun 25 2012, 16:34) I thi... Jun 26 2012, 04:08
Destroid Which I guess brings the question of, "How ea... Jun 26 2012, 01:18
saratoga QUOTE (Destroid @ Jun 25 2012, 20:18) Whi... Jun 26 2012, 01:36
onkl FLAC has a nice sounding name. I believe one of th... Jun 26 2012, 04:32
Zarggg One could argue that "WMA" and "AAC... Jun 27 2012, 07:39
bandpass Onkl's point was that the names are nicer soun... Jun 27 2012, 08:36
Porcus So, what's in a name?
yalike, Offer my4ay? a... Jun 27 2012, 08:39![]() ![]() |
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