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Looking for Burrrn Alternative
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post Jul 30 2012, 10:55
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i was using burrrn for many years, but it does not work under win7 32bit anymore, so i am looking for an alternative software for it.

best would be a 'true' portable open source tool, that does not need any extra installs like rapid storage or framework.
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post Jul 30 2012, 12:14
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It works on my win 7 32bit machine. What exactly is the problem ?


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post Jul 30 2012, 12:43
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QUOTE (shadowking @ Jul 30 2012, 13:14) *
It works on my win 7 32bit machine. What exactly is the problem ?

burrrn detects my drive (plds 8ats) correctly. in options i ticked cdtext + spti (also tried with raw as well) but it gives the error info

Initializing SPTI ... OK!
?: Invalid argument. : scsi sendcmd: fatal error
CDB: 12 00 00 00 2C 00
cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 20s
ERROR: Inquiry command failed on 'SPTILOCK:0,1,0'.
SPTILOCK:0,1,0: Rev:
?: Invalid argument. : scsi sendcmd: fatal error
CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00
cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 20s
ERROR: Cannot setup device SPTILOCK:0,1,0.

i also tried with frog aspi.dll and nero aspi, but had no luck.
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post Jul 30 2012, 14:30
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There seems to be issues with sata drives and windows xp sp3 onwards. More info in this thread :

http://club.myce.com/f59/burrrn-1-14-will-...9/#.UBaLhc3ECMM




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post Jul 30 2012, 15:28
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I use foobar2000 to export WAV/CUE, then burn it with ImgBurn. This is almost as "easy" and as fully-featured as Burrrn.


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post Jul 30 2012, 15:29
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I never used Burrrn, but try InfraRecorder http://infrarecorder.org/.

Open source (GPL actually) and portable.
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post Jul 30 2012, 17:01
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@shadowking: i tried every combination in the options burrrn offers, copied over a newer version of cygwin (eac) and still have that error info.

@brand: i already tried infrarecorder and cdrtfe (which looks very promising), but with infrarecorder i would get a cd with defect audio, even though the burning process was fine.

regarding cdrtfe, i had trouble with cdtext not beeing recognized in eac.

its haunted..

@canar: will imgburn overburn media, have 0 sec pause and cdtext?
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post Jul 30 2012, 21:33
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Does this alternative need to be, like Burrrn, compatible with EAC's non-compliant cue sheet format?
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post Jul 31 2012, 05:17
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If you have Win 7 *PRO* Try XP mode or maybe a different drive like USB or IDE


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post Jul 31 2012, 08:45
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@trout: no, thats not so important. apart from what i said in my initial post, it should be able to overburn media, offer no pause and have cdtext.

@shadowking: thanks for your suggestion, but compatible and admin mode did not help too. unfortunately i dont have a second drive to test.
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post Jul 31 2012, 12:38
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I recommend ImgBurn. It will overburn, burn gaplessly, and have CD text. You need to generate a cue sheet first, which can be done within ImgBurn.

You will need the appropriate DirectShow filters installed for the file types you are burning, or ImgBurn won't recognize them.

ImgBurn will burn files natively, on the fly. No need to convert them to wav.
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post Jul 31 2012, 15:49
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There is no need for DirectShow nonsense with foobar2000 and exporting to WAV/CUE for burning with ImgBurn. You will get foobar2000-grade gapless every time without dicking around with DirectShow nonsense and without being bitten by DirectShow bugs. Exporting to WAV/CUE will make "non-compliant" CUEs work fine, also.

This is easier than using ImgBurn's CUE sheet generator.

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post Jul 31 2012, 16:18
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Does fb2k even create a non-compliant cue in the EAC sense?

Does fb2k preserve non-01 indices besides HTOA? How does it handle HTOA (assuming it does handle HTOA)?

foobar2000-grade? That reads like marketing-speak, lol.

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post Jul 31 2012, 16:39
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There's no reason for it to create a non-compliant CUE, especially in this context. It will read them. I'm not sure about HTOA features. I'd remaster any album where it occurred if there was significant HTOA content.

There's no point for fb2k to preserve indices, although I'm pretty sure it does. If you have indices, you have a CUE sheet, so you shouldn't be relying on a tool to create a new one for you.

As for "foobar2000-grade", try relying on DirectShow a bit for tough material. You'll see what I mean pretty quickly.

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post Aug 1 2012, 06:10
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For burning audio you can also use Feurio, it also writes cd-text.
I'm using it for years and never had errors.
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QUOTE (gottogo99 @ Jul 31 2012, 13:38) *
I recommend ImgBurn. It will overburn, burn gaplessly, and have CD text. You need to generate a cue sheet first, which can be done within ImgBurn.

i have tested imgburn and it works like charm, though in the beginning its gui is a bit unclear. so thanks for pointing me to this program.

only thing that still does not work is cdtext in eac. could somebody please explain to me why it correctly shows in foobar?
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post Aug 1 2012, 13:08
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QUOTE (Canar @ Jul 31 2012, 10:49) *
There is no need for DirectShow nonsense with foobar2000 and exporting to WAV/CUE for burning with ImgBurn. You will get foobar2000-grade gapless every time without dicking around with DirectShow nonsense and without being bitten by DirectShow bugs. Exporting to WAV/CUE will make "non-compliant" CUEs work fine, also.

This is easier than using ImgBurn's CUE sheet generator.

ImgBurn works perfectly once you install the correct DirectShow filter for your file type. See http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=5555. There are no "bugs." Following the guide, there is no need to "dick around" with converting files to WAV for burning a CD and then having to delete them afterwards. Plus, everything is done in ImgBurn; no need to switch programs. How is using foobar2000 and ImgBurn together "easier" than just using one program? I'm trying to understand.

Just curious, how do you create cue sheets? I used "foo cuesheet creator" for a while but it seems to be abandoned. Is there something newer/better?
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post Aug 1 2012, 13:32
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QUOTE (gottogo99 @ Aug 1 2012, 13:08) *
Just curious, how do you create cue sheets? I used "foo cuesheet creator" for a while but it seems to be abandoned. Is there something newer/better?
Itís built into the Converter. This guide describes the processes of creating images from individual tracks and vice versa: http://www.surroundbyus.com/images/pdf_pub...Conversions.pdf
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post Aug 1 2012, 16:41
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QUOTE (gottogo99 @ Aug 1 2012, 05:08) *
ImgBurn works perfectly once you install the correct DirectShow filter for your file type. See http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=5555. There are no "bugs." Following the guide, there is no need to "dick around" with converting files to WAV for burning a CD and then having to delete them afterwards. Plus, everything is done in ImgBurn; no need to switch programs. How is using foobar2000 and ImgBurn together "easier" than just using one program? I'm trying to understand.
Let's see you find a DirectShow filter that provides gapless MP3. Oh wait, not even possible... (see http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=86835 )

No bugs, my ass.

When you consider some of the weird decoding cases foobar2000 handles trivially, you start realizing just how close to perfect the foobar2000 -> WAV/CUE -> ImgBurn approach is. If you don't need CD-text or other "advanced" features, there's foo_burninate.

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post Aug 1 2012, 17:00
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QUOTE (Canar @ Jul 31 2012, 08:39) *
There's no reason for it to create a non-compliant CUE, especially in this context.
Why did you bring non-compliant cues into the discussion?

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It will read them.
You mean to say it will read the cues it created? Are these cues really non-compliant, and if so how are they non-compliant?

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There's no point for fb2k to preserve indices, although I'm pretty sure it does. If you have indices, you have a CUE sheet, so you shouldn't be relying on a tool to create a new one for you.
Since fb2k only writes cue sheets so that tracks from individual files can be indexed once they are concatenated into a single file, I don't see how you can be sure that it preserves non-01 indices.

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post Aug 1 2012, 17:09
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QUOTE (Canar @ Aug 1 2012, 08:41) *
When you consider some of the weird decoding cases foobar2000 handles trivially, you start realizing just how close to perfect the foobar2000 -> WAV/CUE -> ImgBurn approach is. If you don't need CD-text or other "advanced" features, there's foo_burninate.

I would be inclined to agree since it appears to be able to wipe my ass for me, but I'm under the impression (perhaps mistakenly) that it still lacks some of the finer details involved in the art of CD creation. Things like write offset calibration and full sub-code/toc manipulation.

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post Aug 1 2012, 17:16
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QUOTE (greynol @ Aug 1 2012, 09:00) *
Why did you bring non-compliant cues into the discussion?
Just as an edge-case that I'm certain fb2k will handle but I'm not certain ImgBurn will. foobar2000 will translate non-compliant to compliant.

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There's no point for fb2k to preserve indices, although I'm pretty sure it does. If you have indices, you have a CUE sheet, so you shouldn't be relying on a tool to create a new one for you.
Since fb2k only writes cue sheets so that tracks from individual files can be indexed once they are concatenated into a single file, I don't see how you can be sure that it preserves non-01 indices.
I gave you the context. If you have indices, you're reading from a cuesheet anyhow, so why rewrite it with foobar2000?

Don't get me wrong, there are some things that it won't automate. I still think this is the best solution for the job, especially the sorts of quick stuff the OP seems interested in.

If you want serious mastering, you're going to want something different.

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post Aug 1 2012, 17:26
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QUOTE (Canar @ Aug 1 2012, 09:16) *
QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 31 2012, 08:18) *
Does fb2k even create a non-compliant cue in the EAC sense?
QUOTE (greynol @ Aug 1 2012, 09:00) *
Why did you bring non-compliant cues into the discussion?
Pardon me?

Here:
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Exporting to WAV/CUE will make "non-compliant" CUEs work fine, also.


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There's no point for fb2k to preserve indices, although I'm pretty sure it does. If you have indices, you have a CUE sheet, so you shouldn't be relying on a tool to create a new one for you.
Since fb2k only writes cue sheets so that tracks from individual files can be indexed once they are concatenated into a single file, I don't see how you can be sure that it preserves non-01 indices.
I gave you the context. If you have indices, you're reading from a cuesheet anyhow, so why rewrite it with foobar2000?

...which is precisely the reason I inquired as to why you went down that dead-end street, though maybe I don't understand what you mean by, ""non-compliant";" hence why I asked that you explain it to me as well as how you can be sure it handles non-01 indices.

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I still think this is the best solution for the job, especially the sorts of quick stuff the OP seems interested in.

I'm under the impression he wanted an EAC-grade alternative. wink.gif If I were trying to create a replica of one of my CDs I have my doubts that the foo_burninate is the best solution. I would (and do!) definitely use fb2k to create single-file images from individual files, however. I even rely on it with full confidence to create CUE sheets for the purpose of 01-indexing. smile.gif

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Noting your edit (replacing "pardon me?" with the following helpful background information):
QUOTE (Canar @ Aug 1 2012, 09:16) *
Just as an edge-case that I'm certain fb2k will handle but I'm not certain ImgBurn will. foobar2000 will translate non-compliant to compliant.

By tossing out information like the batch file I created so people could misuse cue sheets as playlists? wink.gif Or, does it preserve them by re-ordering* the audio data as well (perhaps as part of the single-file image creation process)? That would be swell.

Obviously I am not up to speed with the latest and greatest advancements in foobar2000.

(*) there are multiple ways depending on the desired destination file, such as moving the gaps from the end of the previous file to the beginning of the current file.

Also, when I say non-01 indices I mean 00 indices as well as >01 indices.

So with your last edit in mind, let me try to answer this question that you asked me:
QUOTE (Canar @ Aug 1 2012, 09:16) *
If you have indices, you're reading from a cuesheet anyhow, so why rewrite it with foobar2000?
Maybe my CUE sheet is for one-file-per-track and I wish to have a cue sheet for a single-file image.

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foobar2000 hasn't been able to work with a non-compliant cue since before version 0.9
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