Time stretching/pitch shifting without DSP, possible or not? |
Time stretching/pitch shifting without DSP, possible or not? |
Sep 18 2012, 10:47
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Group: Members Posts: 162 Joined: 22-December 05 Member No.: 26587 |
I mean time stretching without changing pitch and pitch shifting without changing speed.
I ask this because my friend recently purchased a turntable (Stanton ST150) and it has time stretch function. http://www.stantondj.com/pdf/products/turn...t150_manual.pdf The manual says QUOTE Note: This turntable has separate analog and digital circuits. If you are looking for a purely analog signal, use the Phono output. For access to the Key correction feature use the Line output or S/P DIF output. QUOTE Note: Key lock and Digital output processing is only available when the LINE output is used. So from my common sense and English level (not my native language), the line out is in fact converted from digital. But my friend insisted on thinking that the processing is done in analog domain and said if EQ can be done in analog domain, why time stretching/ pitch shifting can't? What is your opinion? |
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Sep 18 2012, 14:14
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Group: Members Posts: 162 Joined: 22-December 05 Member No.: 26587 |
QUOTE but people are still fully convinced that the gear is analog and will sound better Actually he said analog sounds much better than digital while listening through line out... This post has been edited by bennetng: Sep 18 2012, 14:15 |
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Sep 18 2012, 15:52
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Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 21-January 12 From: Germany Member No.: 96595 |
QUOTE but people are still fully convinced that the gear is analog and will sound better Actually he said analog sounds much better than digital while listening through line out... the st-150 and str8-150 have two outputs, stereo RCA and s/pdif. there is a switch which allows you to select whether the RCAs output line-level or phono level. when that switch is set to phono, the unit functions as nothing but a normal analog TT. no digital signal processing is going on, there is no amplification. when you set the switch to line, the signal goes through a phono preamp and time stretching may be applied. iirc (but it's been a while since i've played with one of these), when using s/pdif, the "key lock" button also functions just as when using RCA and having the switch set to "line" (as opposed to "phono"). EDIT: i realize my posts don't really live up to the standard of the "scientific discussion" forum. i just wanted to say that (i) the st-150 indeed does time stretching digitally** and (ii) i don't think there is much value in having a discussion about the fidelity of "analog" sound with most DJs. --- ** in fact, stanton advertises the unit as the ST.150 Digital Turntable. This post has been edited by dumdidum: Sep 18 2012, 16:03 |
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bennetng Time stretching/pitch shifting without DSP Sep 18 2012, 10:47
dumdidum this is def done digitally.
the point is, many DJ... Sep 18 2012, 11:01
greynol QUOTE (bennetng @ Sep 18 2012, 06:14) QUO... Sep 18 2012, 18:15
bennetng QUOTE (greynol @ Sep 19 2012, 01:15) QUOT... Sep 18 2012, 18:26
greynol QUOTE (bennetng @ Sep 18 2012, 10:26) Ple... Sep 18 2012, 18:37
mzil It is possible to do analog pitch shifting althoug... Sep 18 2012, 16:43
pdq QUOTE (mzil @ Sep 18 2012, 11:43) It is p... Sep 18 2012, 17:26

benski QUOTE (pdq @ Sep 18 2012, 12:26) QUOTE (m... Sep 18 2012, 17:49

pdq QUOTE (benski @ Sep 18 2012, 12:49) There... Sep 18 2012, 17:56
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (mzil @ Sep 18 2012, 11:43) It is p... Sep 20 2012, 19:11
bennetng So are there any dedicated analog machines doing t... Sep 18 2012, 17:06
dumdidum QUOTE (pdq @ Sep 18 2012, 18:26) QUOTE (m... Sep 18 2012, 17:42
benski QUOTE (dumdidum @ Sep 18 2012, 12:42) QUO... Sep 18 2012, 17:50
mzil QUOTE (benski @ Sep 18 2012, 12:50) QUOTE... Sep 18 2012, 18:57
John_Siau I seem to recall that there were analog frequency-... Sep 18 2012, 19:36
mzil A 1968 example of the tape based "Electro Rat... Sep 18 2012, 19:44
John_Siau Here is a link to an old BBD data sheet from 1975.... Sep 18 2012, 19:47
bennetng Thanks for the explanations. Then I guess the anal... Sep 18 2012, 19:59
krabapple On a two recent remixes by Steve Wilson (one the 1... Sep 19 2012, 17:30
bennetng Most samplers/romplers support this kind of pitch ... Sep 19 2012, 17:55
mzil QUOTE (krabapple @ Sep 19 2012, 12:30) It... Sep 19 2012, 18:30
greynol I don't think pitch correction which also chan... Sep 19 2012, 18:46
krabapple QUOTE (greynol @ Sep 19 2012, 13:46) I do... Sep 19 2012, 20:40
greynol From what I understand of Wilson, he's not exa... Sep 19 2012, 21:46
krabapple QUOTE (greynol @ Sep 19 2012, 16:46) From... Sep 20 2012, 00:03
krabapple so, just for giggles, using Audition 1.0 's ... Sep 27 2012, 00:09![]() ![]() |
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