Lame 3.99.5z, a functional extension |
Lame 3.99.5z, a functional extension |
Sep 18 2012, 23:06
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You can download it from here.
What’s the functional extension? It offers VBR quality settings -V3+ to -V0+ and -V0+eco (economic version of -V0+). What are -Vn+ and -V0+eco good for? They improve pre-echo behavior. Beyond that, they combine the quality advantages of VBR (regarding pre-echo) with the quality advantages of CBR/ABR (with respect to ringing and other tonal issues). Lame users can be classified into three categories: a) Users who don’t care about rare quality issues and/or care much about small file size. The common way for these users to work with Lame is to use -V5, -V4, or similar. b) Users who don’t like to have obvious and especially ugly issues in their music even when they’re rare but who care about file size as well. The common way for these users to work with Lame is to use -V2, -V3, or similar. CBR 192 or similar, or ABR in this bitrate range, is an alternative (but seldom used). c) Users who want overall transparency or at least a quality which comes close to it, and who don’t care much about file size. The common way for these users to work with Lame is to use -V0, -V1, or similar as a VBR method, or to use CBR 320 or 256. Using very high bitrate ABR is an alternative (seldom used). For users of group b) and c) -Vn+/-V0+eco offers significant quality advantages: We have two major issue classes with most of the lossy codecs: - temporal smearing (pre-echo) issues - ringing (tremolo) and other tonal issues. Let’s look at the worst samples I know for these classes: - eig (extremely strong temporal smearing) - lead-voice (extreme ringing, for instance at sec. 0..2) With samples like these users of group b) can’t be very happy when using -V2 or -V3, because the ringing issues are very obvious and ugly. The temporal smearing of eig is pretty obvious as well, especially around sec. 3. Using CBR/ABR 192 or similar is a good procedure to fight the ringing, but temporal smearing is much worse than with VBR, it’s real ugly. Things don’t really change when using slightly increased quality settings. For users of group c) it’s exactly the same thing, with quality requirements and quality received just both on a higher level. So the traditional way of doing things isn’t totally satisfactory. Users of group b) can use -V3+ or -V2+ (recommended) and get much better results in the overall view. Users of group c) can use -V1+ or -V0+eco (recommended) or -V0+ (recommended for the paranoid like me) and get transparency or close-to-transparency. Sure it’s impossible to prove transparency for the universe of music, but it’s true for the samples mentioned. And as these are very outstanding samples within their problem classes and because of the technical details of -Vn+ described below it’s plausible that the approach works rather universally. How is it done? -Vn+ uses -Vn internally (-V0+eco uses -V0), but the accuracy demands for short blocks are increased. Short blocks are used when the encoder takes care of good temporal resolution. Audio data bitrate is kept rather high also with long blocks which are normally used. These audio data requirements are helpful for any kind of problem, they are not restricted to ringing or pre-echo issues. Moreover a strategy is used which is targeting at providing close to maximum possible audio data space for short blocks. What’s the price to pay? Compared to -Vn the increased accuracy demands of -Vn+ raise average bitrate. As -Vn+ is targeting at significant quality improvements compared to -V2 for real bad samples, we need an average bitrate around 200 kbps at least. -V3+ and -V2+ are designed for users of group b) above, and as such take care of average bitrate not to be much higher than 200 kbps. For my test set of various pop music average bitrate is 205 kbps for -V3+, and 217 kbps for -V2+. For users of group c) I allow for the full quality resp. average bitrate range mp3 can offer. -V1+ takes an average bitrate of 257 kbps for my test set, -V0+ takes 317 kbps. -V0+eco (economic version of -V0+) takes 266 kbps. So -V0+eco comes nearly for free as -V0 takes 260 kbps for my test set. Unlike versions I published before, mp3packer isn’t really needed any more to squeeze the unused bits out of the mp3 file (with the exception of fractional settings like -V0.5+ between -V1+ and -V0+). mp3packer brings average bitrate down by only 1 kbps maximum for -Vn+ between -V3+ and -V2+, by 1 to 2 kbps for -Vn+ between -V2+ and -V1+, and by 2 kbps for -V0+ and -V0+eco. So I think we can forget about mp3packer with these settings. Options --adbr_short x sets the minimum audio data bitrate for short blocks to x [kbps] when using -Vn+ or -V0+eco, with x in the range 150..450. Defaults are 360,370,420,440,440 kbps for -V3+,-V2+,-V1+,-V0+eco,-V0+ resp. --adbr_long x sets the minimum audio data bitrate for long blocks to x [kbps] when using -Vn+ or -V0+eco, with x in the range 110..310. Defaults are 160,170,215,220,290 kbps for -V3+,-V2+,-V1+,-V0+eco,-V0+ resp. --frameAnalysis prints detailed information for each frame (L/R or M/S representation, blocktype of both granules, available audio data bits, audio data bits used, etc.). Works for both -Vn and -Vn+. -------------------- lame3100i -V0.5+ --adbr_short 480
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Oct 9 2012, 16:55
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The version that's packed with 9.99.5z is "Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 x86 10.0.30319.1"
I have the updated versions installed x64 & x86 10.0.40219. I am running Win7 64bit. This post has been edited by soundping: Oct 9 2012, 16:57 |
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halb27 Lame 3.99.5z, a functional extension Sep 18 2012, 23:06
GeSomeone I think you forgot to mention the lowpass values t... Sep 26 2012, 20:17
solidornot Thank you. I have used the extension since last D... Oct 6 2012, 18:13
halb27 The main difference between -V0+eco and -V0 is the... Oct 6 2012, 22:07
solidornot QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 6 2012, 16:07) The ma... Oct 8 2012, 02:28
Dynamic ...and for future use (not existing encodes), the ... Oct 8 2012, 17:10
soundping 3.99.5z doesn't work with dBpoweramp R14.3.
I... Oct 8 2012, 19:34
halb27 Maybe just the VC10 runtime library is missing whi... Oct 8 2012, 21:08
n8er11 Worked ok for me on DBPowerAmp...replaced the orig... Oct 9 2012, 11:35
halb27 Lame3.99.5z is a 32 bit exe (which works with 64 b... Oct 9 2012, 18:49
lvqcl lame3995z.exe + msvcr100.dll 10.0.40219.325: works... Oct 9 2012, 19:12
soundping That's weird. The regular LAME 3.99.5 works ju... Oct 10 2012, 08:46
BFG Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get 3.99.5z to... Oct 22 2012, 03:09
halb27 In which folder is the msvcr100.dll? Oct 22 2012, 07:39
halb27 I took it as an occasion to install EAC1.0b3 on my... Oct 22 2012, 09:52
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 22 2012, 03:52) I hav... Oct 22 2012, 19:22
BFG QUOTE (BFG @ Oct 22 2012, 13:22) QUOTE (h... Oct 23 2012, 00:38
nastea Is it already possible to use wildcards with LAME?... Oct 23 2012, 01:43
Aleron Ives QUOTE (nastea @ Oct 22 2012, 17:43) Is it... Oct 23 2012, 04:15
BFG QUOTE (nastea @ Oct 22 2012, 19:43) Maybe... Oct 23 2012, 02:26
BFG halb27, can you help me understand: What is the ad... Oct 23 2012, 02:28
halb27 QUOTE (BFG @ Oct 23 2012, 03:28) halb27, ... Oct 23 2012, 08:52
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 23 2012, 02:52) A bun... Oct 24 2012, 01:50
GeSomeone QUOTE (BFG @ Oct 24 2012, 02:50) It simpl... Oct 24 2012, 12:12
halb27 QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Oct 24 2012, 13:12) ..... Oct 24 2012, 12:36
halb27 Yes, you understand it very well. -Vn+ resp. -V0+e... Oct 24 2012, 08:41
BFG Halb, you mentioned that LAME 3.100 is in developm... Oct 24 2012, 18:37
pdq QUOTE (BFG @ Oct 24 2012, 13:37) Halb, yo... Oct 24 2012, 20:53
halb27 What you describe is pretty much what 3.99.5z does... Oct 24 2012, 19:41
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 24 2012, 13:41) What ... Oct 24 2012, 20:25
halb27 @BFG:
The more you go to the limits the more often... Oct 24 2012, 21:07
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 24 2012, 15:07) @BFG:... Oct 24 2012, 21:28
BFG Well, I'm testing some rather extreme settings... Oct 25 2012, 04:34
halb27 QUOTE (BFG @ Oct 25 2012, 05:34) ...I sus... Oct 25 2012, 06:28
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 25 2012, 00:28) Absol... Oct 25 2012, 23:02
halb27 For the worst tonal and pre-echo problems I know: ... Oct 26 2012, 07:02
BFG Thanks for all the info on this, halb27 (not to me... Oct 26 2012, 17:15
halb27 Granules of blocktype 'start' and 'sto... Oct 26 2012, 17:39
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 26 2012, 11:39) I did... Oct 26 2012, 20:18
halb27 A preliminary remark: you can drop the '-v -q0... Oct 26 2012, 23:13
halb27 I was asked to provide more parameters. So I have ... Oct 27 2012, 08:28
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 27 2012, 02:28) I was... Oct 29 2012, 00:00
IgorC Hi, halb27.
V3+ ends up with the same average bit... Oct 28 2012, 01:45
Dynamic QUOTE (IgorC @ Oct 28 2012, 01:45) Any ch... Oct 28 2012, 09:10
halb27 OK, I can provide -Vn+ for -V5+ to -V0+. With this... Oct 28 2012, 10:59
Dynamic I haven't tried --frameAnalysis but I was thin... Oct 28 2012, 11:33
robert QUOTE (Dynamic @ Oct 28 2012, 11:33) I ha... Oct 28 2012, 13:26
halb27 You're welcome to do this work. As far as I am... Oct 28 2012, 12:17
halb27 Yes, I will take care of best quality for -V0+, an... Oct 29 2012, 00:49
IgorC I have tried one more sample. This time a tonal on... Oct 29 2012, 02:40
halb27 Thanks for your tests, IgorC.
If I skipped the def... Oct 29 2012, 08:01
IgorC QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 29 2012, 04:01) Thank... Oct 30 2012, 02:52
Dynamic halb27, would you say lead-voice is still problema... Oct 29 2012, 15:50
robert QUOTE (Dynamic @ Oct 29 2012, 15:50) BTW,... Nov 5 2012, 19:42
halb27 With the test version robert gave me lead-voice wa... Oct 29 2012, 17:44
halb27 Here comes a preliminary new version to play with.... Oct 29 2012, 23:35
halb27 Thanks for your test, IgorC.
I think I've fou... Oct 30 2012, 11:50
BFG Thanks for posting the "C" version, halb... Oct 31 2012, 00:34
halb27 Recent changes in the strategy of the functional e... Oct 31 2012, 10:14
halb27 Sorry, in my last post '310/253 for --adbr_lon... Oct 31 2012, 17:33
halb27 Here comes a new version.
a) The default lowpass ... Nov 1 2012, 01:02
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Oct 31 2012, 19:02) Here ... Nov 1 2012, 03:27
halb27 Sorry. Glad you tested so quickly.
I've correc... Nov 1 2012, 09:21
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 1 2012, 03:21) Sorry.... Nov 1 2012, 16:46
halb27 I did a minor change: default to the 'universa... Nov 1 2012, 12:01
GreenSeer I have enjoyed reading this very technical thread ... Nov 1 2012, 16:02
halb27 Throwing away part of the dynamic range for the sa... Nov 1 2012, 16:09
halb27 trumpet_myPrince triggered this (see post #59).
C... Nov 1 2012, 17:26
halb27 Here comes another version. Sorry for the flood.
... Nov 1 2012, 19:09
halb27 A related question is:
Is it better to achieve an... Nov 2 2012, 01:19
IgorC halb27,
If You don't mind here are a few que... Nov 2 2012, 03:43
halb27 Hallo IgorC,
You're absolutely right. I'v... Nov 2 2012, 09:21
IgorC Great.
As for version 'e', V5+eco is twic... Nov 3 2012, 19:50
halb27 There is no -V5+eco. I gave up the -Vn+eco idea (s... Nov 3 2012, 22:13
Dynamic Thanks for the pointer, Robert.
I've grabbed ... Nov 5 2012, 20:33
BFG This thread has me curious: Robert, have you consi... Nov 6 2012, 06:32
Dynamic BFG, I can't speak for Robert, but my own thou... Nov 6 2012, 21:08
BFG QUOTE (Dynamic @ Nov 6 2012, 14:08) BFG, ... Nov 7 2012, 00:10
halb27 Yes, a lowpass can help. Nov 7 2012, 00:20
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 6 2012, 17:20) Yes, a... Nov 7 2012, 00:42
halb27 Sorry.
A twopass system could help a bit to better... Nov 7 2012, 07:45
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 7 2012, 00:45) A twop... Nov 8 2012, 06:32
halb27 I think what I said holds true for mp3 in general.... Nov 8 2012, 11:07
halb27 I'm back having finished everything on my mind... Nov 26 2012, 13:44
GeSomeone QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 26 2012, 14:44) In th... Nov 28 2012, 14:30
halb27 Yes, I'd like to remove all the speciial optio... Nov 28 2012, 18:30
BFG QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 28 2012, 11:30) Yes, ... Nov 28 2012, 19:23
halb27 a) I can keep all the --adbr_xxx options if this i... Nov 28 2012, 23:03
Kamedo2 I'm considering doing a listening test of the ... Dec 2 2012, 16:52
halb27 Such a test is wonderful, Kamedo2. You are welcome... Dec 2 2012, 18:14
Kamedo2 Halb27, thank you for your great advice! I put... Dec 2 2012, 19:44
halb27 Fine.
Nice that you want to give 3.100a2 a try. Th... Dec 2 2012, 22:06
Kamedo2 LAME 3.100a2 a priori test: finished. There might ... Dec 8 2012, 19:08![]() ![]() |
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