Personal Listening Test of Opus, Celt, AAC at 75-100kbps, ABC/HR blind test, 1 Listener |
Personal Listening Test of Opus, Celt, AAC at 75-100kbps, ABC/HR blind test, 1 Listener |
Nov 17 2012, 09:25
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Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 16-November 12 From: Kyoto, Japan Member No.: 104567 |
Abstract:
Blind Comparison between 2012/09 new Opusenc(tfsel5), old Celtenc 0.11.2, Apple AAC-LC tvbr, cvbr. This is an English version of my original post in Japanese. http://d.hatena.ne.jp/kamedo2/20121116/1353099244#seemore Encoders: libopus 0.9.11-146-gdc4f83b-exp_analysis https://people.xiph.org/~greg/opus-tools_exp_dc4f83be.zip celt-0.11.2-win32 https://people.xiph.org/~greg/celt-0.11.2-win32.zip qaac 1.40 qaac 1.40 Settings: opusenc --bitrate 66 input.wav output.wav celtenc input.48k.raw --bitrate 75 --comp 10 output.wav qaac --cvbr 72 -o output.m4a input.wav qaac --tvbr 27 -o output.m4a input.wav opusenc --bitrate 90 input.wav output.wav celtenc input.48k.raw --bitrate 100 --comp 10 output.wav qaac --cvbr 96 -o output.m4a input.wav qaac --tvbr 45 -o output.m4a input.wav Samples: 20 Sounds of various genres, from easy to modestly critical. http://zak.s206.xrea.com/bitratetest/main.htm To download, access to the link above, 2nd paragraph, 3rd-6th links. (40_30sec - Run up) Hardwares: Sony PSP-3000 + RP-HT560(1st) , RP-HJE150(2nd), took the average of the two results. Results: ![]() ![]() Conclusions & Observations: I could not detect a significant improvement in the new September 1st version of Opus, from the old Celtenc in 2011. It's possibly because the new Opus inflates bitrates more than it improves qualities, although the set of sounds contain easy samples. On 75kbps, Opus/Celt are markedly better. On 100kbps, there is no big difference between those codecs. Raw data: 40 Logs and encoders, decoders log http://zak.s206.xrea.com/bitratetest/log_o...kbps100kbps.zip CODE % Opus, AAC 75kbps, 100kbps ABC/HR Score % This format is compatible with my graphmaker, as well as ff123's FRIEDMAN. opus_75k celt_75k cvbr_75k tvbr_75k opus100k celt100k cvbr100k tvbr100k %features 6 75kbps 75kbps 75kbps 75kbps 100kbps 100kbps 100kbps 100kbps %features 7 OPUS OPUS AAC-LC AAC-LC OPUS OPUS AAC-LC AAC-LC 3.050 3.100 2.500 2.750 3.500 3.750 3.700 3.800 3.750 2.950 2.700 2.750 4.050 3.800 4.000 3.950 2.800 2.550 3.000 3.000 3.600 3.250 4.050 3.900 2.700 3.150 2.350 2.300 3.350 3.800 3.600 3.700 4.000 3.400 2.850 2.850 4.350 3.900 3.550 3.550 2.600 2.550 2.800 2.800 3.350 3.150 3.950 3.900 3.400 3.950 3.000 3.200 3.850 4.500 3.700 3.800 3.450 3.500 2.900 2.800 3.850 4.050 4.050 4.150 2.950 2.700 3.550 3.450 3.250 3.450 4.000 3.850 3.100 3.400 2.750 2.600 3.800 3.850 4.150 4.000 3.350 3.100 2.600 2.600 3.750 3.400 3.450 3.500 3.750 3.350 2.800 2.950 4.050 3.750 3.800 3.850 3.550 3.300 2.600 2.650 4.250 3.950 3.750 3.600 3.100 3.350 2.750 2.550 3.650 3.700 3.850 3.800 3.400 3.450 2.900 2.900 3.650 3.950 3.750 3.900 3.250 3.300 2.750 2.800 3.650 3.850 3.950 3.750 3.600 3.800 3.300 3.300 3.550 4.000 3.650 3.700 3.700 3.350 3.300 3.300 3.900 3.650 4.100 4.000 3.100 3.600 3.150 3.000 3.700 3.800 4.100 3.850 3.650 4.050 3.000 2.900 4.050 4.250 3.750 3.550 It's not strange that some scores get 0.050 scale because I did tests twice per each music. |
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Nov 23 2012, 21:51
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Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 16-November 12 From: Kyoto, Japan Member No.: 104567 |
I measured an average bitrate over wide range of normal 15 musics(63min).
opusenc --bitrate 66 input.wav output.opus 65.9kbps celtenc input.48k.raw --bitrate 75 --comp 10 output.oga 73.4kbps qaac --cvbr 72 -o output.m4a input.wav 75.2kbps qaac --tvbr 27 -o output.m4a input.wav 66.0kbps opusenc --bitrate 90 input.wav output.opus 88.9kbps celtenc input.48k.raw --bitrate 100 --comp 10 output.oga 98.9kbps qaac --cvbr 96 -o output.m4a input.wav 100.0kbps qaac --tvbr 45 -o output.m4a input.wav 91.9kbps The 15 songs I used is, of course, different from 20 samples I used in this listening test. I understood the importance of calibration, but still I'm reluctant to use these value as the x-axis of the bitrate vs quality graph; Imagine you make a x=height vs y=bodyweight scatter graph over many people, and you plot Alice's height as x and Bob's weight as y; That's a chimera. When I plot Charlie, I use Charlie's height and Charlie's weight. When I plot Dave, I use Dave's height and Dave's weight. |
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Nov 24 2012, 19:49
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Xiph.org Speex developer Group: Developer Posts: 430 Joined: 21-August 02 Member No.: 3134 |
The 15 songs I used is, of course, different from 20 samples I used in this listening test. I understood the importance of calibration, but still I'm reluctant to use these value as the x-axis of the bitrate vs quality graph; Imagine you make a x=height vs y=bodyweight scatter graph over many people, and you plot Alice's height as x and Bob's weight as y; That's a chimera. When I plot Charlie, I use Charlie's height and Charlie's weight. When I plot Dave, I use Dave's height and Dave's weight. The method certainly has drawbacks, but it's not as silly as you might think. Here's another way to reason about it. I have a music player with a fixed capacity (e.g. 8 GB) and I need to fit my entire music collection on it. I compute the average rate I can afford and use that to encode all songs. Now imagine I wanted to figure out which codec to use. I can apply that process with many different codecs, and then compare the codecs to see which one provides me with the best music quality. Ideally, I'd listen to the each song, but that's way too long. The alternative is to pick only a relatively small sample. I *could* pick my samples at random, but in practice, I probably want to bias my selection towards harder samples (because not OK to have 90% good files with 10% awful ones), while still having "normal" samples too. So I do the listening test on those samples and pick the best codec. When I do that, I have used the quality of a few samples as the y axis, with the rate over a large sample as the x axis. And it makes sense to do so. |
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Kamedo2 Personal Listening Test of Opus, Celt, AAC at 75-100kbps Nov 17 2012, 09:25
C.R.Helmrich Thanks for this interesting test, Kamedo, and welc... Nov 17 2012, 10:28
Kamedo2 QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Nov 17 2012, 18:28)... Nov 17 2012, 10:40
Dynamic Thank you for your time and dedication, Kamedo2 ... Nov 17 2012, 10:48
IgorC Kamedo2, Thank You for all your tests.
Glad to see... Nov 17 2012, 11:04
Kamedo2 The samples I used
The ABX criteria is 12/15(p=0... Nov 17 2012, 18:44
Anakunda QUOTE (Kamedo2 @ Nov 17 2012, 09:25) Blin... Nov 17 2012, 23:45
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (Anakunda @ Nov 18 2012, 00:45) Is ... Nov 18 2012, 00:54
Kamedo2 QUOTE (Anakunda @ Nov 18 2012, 07:45) Is ... Nov 18 2012, 05:47
Dynamic QUOTE x-axis=actual bitrate
That was one query I ... Nov 18 2012, 09:20
Kamedo2 QUOTE (Dynamic @ Nov 18 2012, 17:20) QUOT... Nov 18 2012, 10:23
Dynamic Thank you for the clarification.
It seems that du... Nov 18 2012, 20:07
IgorC Kamedo2,
I'm not here to criticize your test... Nov 18 2012, 20:12
Kamedo2 QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 19 2012, 04:12) As all... Nov 19 2012, 02:17
jmvalin Hi Kamedo2, thanks for the test. From what I see, ... Nov 19 2012, 20:03
lvqcl I took my Opus compile (libopus v1.0.1-140-gc55f4d... Nov 19 2012, 20:32
Kamedo2 QUOTE (jmvalin @ Nov 20 2012, 04:03) it w... Nov 19 2012, 23:19
jmvalin QUOTE (Kamedo2 @ Nov 19 2012, 17:19) Acco... Nov 20 2012, 18:39
Dynamic Thanks again to everyone in this thread. I'm c... Nov 20 2012, 03:03
jmvalin QUOTE (Dynamic @ Nov 19 2012, 21:03) We d... Nov 20 2012, 05:13
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (Kamedo2 @ Nov 17 2012, 10:25) Samp... Nov 20 2012, 23:01
Kamedo2 QUOTE (jmvalin @ Nov 20 2012, 13:13) CELT... Nov 21 2012, 02:08
jmvalin QUOTE (Kamedo2 @ Nov 20 2012, 20:08) I as... Nov 21 2012, 03:15
Kamedo2 QUOTE (jmvalin @ Nov 21 2012, 11:15) Actu... Nov 21 2012, 05:37
jmvalin QUOTE (Kamedo2 @ Nov 20 2012, 23:37) I me... Nov 22 2012, 02:45
Kamedo2 QUOTE (jmvalin @ Nov 22 2012, 10:45) QUOT... Nov 22 2012, 07:33
jmvalin QUOTE (Kamedo2 @ Nov 22 2012, 01:33) Ther... Nov 22 2012, 18:10
Kamedo2 Bitrate vs Score plot of the 20 samples used.
Opu... Nov 21 2012, 03:26
Dynamic I think the objectives in tests (experiments) matt... Nov 22 2012, 19:03
Kamedo2 QUOTE (Dynamic @ Nov 23 2012, 03:03) Ques... Nov 22 2012, 22:42
Kamedo2 QUOTE rjamorim: There's some inverse proportio... Nov 23 2012, 16:35
Kamedo2 QUOTE (jmvalin @ Nov 25 2012, 03:49) QUOT... Nov 25 2012, 15:34
Kamedo2 My post #34 might be too difficult. I wish I had b... Nov 25 2012, 21:35
IgorC Interesting.
The Opus'es scores have less devi... Nov 26 2012, 03:08
Kamedo2 QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 26 2012, 11:08) The Op... Nov 26 2012, 23:56
DonP QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 25 2012, 21:08) In thi... Jan 3 2013, 02:57
Dynamic Once again, Kamedo2, I applaud you for your testin... Nov 26 2012, 21:57
Kamedo2 QUOTE (Dynamic @ Nov 27 2012, 05:57) As I... Nov 27 2012, 00:14
jmvalin Kamedo2, can you give 1.1-alpha a try? It includes... Jan 3 2013, 01:09
Kamedo2 QUOTE (jmvalin @ Jan 3 2013, 09:09) Kamed... Jan 5 2013, 11:50![]() ![]() |
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