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Current mp3gain alternatives for reducing clipping?, Clipping determined to have been caused by iTunes equalizer.
BrownNote80
post Dec 18 2012, 05:05
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Hi All,

First time poster, long time reader.
I've been using mp3gain for years, and I basically just want to know if there are any modern equivalents or alternatives to reduce clipping in mp3 files. This is all that I use mp3gain for. I do not use it to make all tracks or albums the same volume. I actually prefer there to be volume differences between songs and albums.

I'm surprised that "clipping" is not a more-discussed issue among all music listeners, not just audiophiles. I have countless examples of songs that, during their regular volume, even at 320 kbps, produce distortion that to my ears is unbearable. Like a fuzzy crackle whenever the levels push through the ceiling. After applying mp3gain to bring below the clipping level, these tracks sound perfect to my ears, and the clipping is totally eliminated. I can't imagine not lowering the gain on most tracks, and I guess that is why I'm surprised that there are not a plethora of programs that try to address it.

Anyway, mp3gain does what I need, which is "apply constant gain". I don't necessarily need track/album gain, target volume, or max-no-clip. I just like to be able to manually reduce tracks by a few decibels to eliminate clipping. Basically, my question is:

- Are there any other programs that do the same thing (i.e. reversible process to apply constant, custom gain reductions without loss in audio quality)? Are there any where the focus is removing clipping rather than equalizing volumes? I guess this is an odd thing to ask since mp3gain serves my purpose, but I can't help but think that this program is old, and support for it has run out. Surely there must be something equivalent that's more current? I've tried many recommended alternatives, but none of them seem to satisfy my needs - they're either way overboard (too many features I don't need), or they are missing key features. I'm also looking for a Mac equivalent, but none of the current Mac mp3gain ports have all of the following:
- Reversible
- Can analyze for clipping
- No loss in audio quality
- Can apply custom, constant gain changes to files/albums

Sorry for the long post, and many thanks for any help.

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BrownNote80
post Dec 18 2012, 20:26
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Since we're apparently so hell-bent on discovering the source of distortion, I think I found it for you - it's the EQ in itunes. When it's off, there's no distortion (even on original lossy files before mp3gain). When I apply the EQ, there is distortion, unless the file has had gain reduced.

Right, I know, itunes sucks, and yes I'm sure I'm a noob and a tool and all these other things for using itunes to listen to music, and I should be ashamed for even coming to these forums.

With that out of the way, let's rephrase the question:
"Are there any other programs out there that allow me to reduce the gain/amplification by a specified amount on a large number of files simultaneously, so that I can happily apply the EQ in itunes without hearing any distortion?"

Thanks.
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post Dec 20 2012, 03:03
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QUOTE (BrownNote80 @ Dec 18 2012, 15:26) *
Since we're apparently so hell-bent on discovering the source of distortion, I think I found it for you - it's the EQ in itunes. When it's off, there's no distortion (even on original lossy files before mp3gain). When I apply the EQ, there is distortion, unless the file has had gain reduced.

Right, I know, itunes sucks, and yes I'm sure I'm a noob and a tool and all these other things for using itunes to listen to music, and I should be ashamed for even coming to these forums.


For what its worth, its not that iTunes sucks. Applying positive gain will generally result in clipping unless you add headroom (or are sure the music was mastered with it). When you do that you're basically telling the software to digitally increase the volume, which eventually causes clipping once you get above max.
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- BrownNote80   Current mp3gain alternatives for reducing clipping?   Dec 18 2012, 05:05
- - A_Man_Eating_Duck   Replaygain?   Dec 18 2012, 07:47
- - greynol   QUOTE (BrownNote80 @ Dec 17 2012, 20:05) ...   Dec 18 2012, 08:36
|- - bernlin2000   QUOTE (greynol @ Dec 18 2012, 01:36) QUOT...   Dec 19 2012, 20:54
- - Dynamic   To test whether it's clipping or expectation b...   Dec 18 2012, 12:03
- - 2Bdecided   It might not be expectation bias. It could be dodg...   Dec 18 2012, 13:02
- - greynol   Either way, TOS8 still applies. We can speculate ...   Dec 18 2012, 15:14
- - BrownNote80   Did any of you even read my question? I'm not ...   Dec 18 2012, 17:39
- - john33   At the expense of upsetting some people, I would s...   Dec 18 2012, 19:44
|- - greynol   QUOTE (john33 @ Dec 18 2012, 10:44) The g...   Dec 18 2012, 20:03
- - A_Man_Eating_Duck   Did you miss my itty bitty post at the top?   Dec 18 2012, 19:45
|- - BrownNote80   QUOTE (A_Man_Eating_Duck @ Dec 18 2012, 11...   Dec 18 2012, 19:53
- - BrownNote80   Ok, so you've piqued my interest. I followed D...   Dec 18 2012, 19:51
|- - greynol   QUOTE (BrownNote80 @ Dec 18 2012, 10:51) ...   Dec 18 2012, 20:13
- - BrownNote80   Since we're apparently so hell-bent on discove...   Dec 18 2012, 20:26
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (BrownNote80 @ Dec 18 2012, 15:26) ...   Dec 20 2012, 03:03
|- - Dynamic   QUOTE (saratoga @ Dec 20 2012, 02:03) For...   Dec 20 2012, 13:40
|- - skamp   QUOTE (saratoga @ Dec 20 2012, 03:03) For...   Dec 20 2012, 13:57
- - greynol   Try EQ-ing in such a way that none of the sliders ...   Dec 18 2012, 20:37
|- - BrownNote80   QUOTE (greynol @ Dec 18 2012, 12:37) Try ...   Dec 18 2012, 20:46
- - greynol   You're very welcome. I apologize for suggesti...   Dec 18 2012, 21:01
|- - BrownNote80   QUOTE (greynol @ Dec 18 2012, 13:01) You...   Dec 18 2012, 21:27
- - Dynamic   It sounds like you no longer need an alternative t...   Dec 19 2012, 02:38
- - greynol   Hi and welcome, I don't know what it is you t...   Dec 19 2012, 21:48
- - 2Bdecided   Some EQs (like the one in the Sansa clip) automati...   Dec 21 2012, 12:17
- - ErectX   MP3s directly encoded from loudness war era CD aud...   Dec 23 2012, 18:33


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