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 Dec 24 2012, 17:34
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I've heard audiophiles claim time and time again that what we measure does not reflect what we hear in a listening evaluation. I think Floyd Tool is the pioneer in conducting the studies for this, but who else as in a position of authority has led research into this field? It can't be mere opinion. I feel measurements largely do correlate with subjective sound quality but I don't think *all* measurements do. Some are more relevant than others.
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Dec 31 2012, 11:59
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MUSHRA and other ABC-style tests are subjective tests. This is because the person taking the test assigns a score to each stimuli in order to declare a personal preference. -------------------- Everything sounds the same until it is proven otherwise.
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Dec 31 2012, 15:32
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So far the best measuring headphones I have tried sound the best and the best measuring amps sound the best so there is no contradiction between what sounds good and what measures well to me. It makes it easy.
-------------------- People are silly.
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Dec 31 2012, 16:18
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QUOTE (Satellite_6 @ Dec 31 2012, 15:32)  So far the best measuring headphones I have tried sound the best and the best measuring amps sound the best so there is no contradiction between what sounds good and what measures well to me. It makes it easy. AKA "expectation bias"... it rarely misses a shot! P.S. What you said is not wrong in principle, but fact is that human ear is not linear neither has infinite precision... 
This post has been edited by Nessuno: Dec 31 2012, 16:20 -------------------- ... I live by long distance.
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Yahzi What we measure is what we hear Dec 24 2012, 17:34
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