New lossless codec comparison (Jan '13), Lots of test results, lots of graphs |
New lossless codec comparison (Jan '13), Lots of test results, lots of graphs |
Jan 5 2013, 21:58
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Hi all,
For the last few weeks I've been busy writing a new lossless audio codec comparison, after lots of talk about it here and here. The full test report can be found here (PDF), the raw data and graphs can be found here (zip). While the full report has lots of graphs it also has lots of text, so the 'main' graphs of the report are posted below. ![]() ![]() The CDs used
For more information on why I chose these CDs, what strange things happened with the pure speech data (Dan Browns audiobook) and tests on 96kHz/24-bit or surround sound audio, check the full report. Its labeled revision 1 because I intend to keep it updated. Any comment (on my grammar too, as I'm not a native speaker) is welcome. -------------------- Music: sounds arranged such that they construct feelings.
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Jan 21 2013, 21:13
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I was meaning the average compression for a particular genre and that the lossless compressed bitrate had a lot to do with the average loudness (in my experience, Replay Gain was a good benchmark) as you surmised.
I've got the impression that lossless bitrates above about 900 kbps were pretty rare in the late 90s and early 2000s CDs, but are now commonplace in much of the 2010s popular releases, with over 1000kbps being pretty frequent. I'm not familiar with how the DR value or even its version of RMS is calculated in detail (e.g. gated or not), which is sometimes necessary, because it mentions things like ignoring long-term dynamics and presumably combining measurments reflecting medium term variations and transient attacks to derive the DR number. People get in trouble making assumptions about the ReplayGain method too. I'm not sure what type of thing is on that soundtrack. One thing that tends to be the case on albums with multiple CD releases over the decades is that a 1983 release, a 1993 release, a 2003 release, and a 2013 release say, would tend to get louder decade by decade (so they sound loud enough on a CD changer, I guess) and the lossless bitrate would tend to increase too. My expectation (based on only my anecdotal evidence and selective memory, and potentially a fautly mental model of why!) is that there's a tendency that any popular music format (pop, rock, dance) follows that trend to increased loudness at first, then finally reduced dynamic range, and I wouldn't be surprised that picking out those genres only it might be possible to plot a graph versus year. One neat idea for someone with the right CD collection is picking all versions of a long-running pop compilation such as the UK & Eire's "Now, That What I Call Music!" pressed from the mid 80s volume 10 double CD to the present day volume 83) and plotting bitrates of the lossless files versus date, we'd see a steady increase in loudness and bitrate over the years (as a trend - there's bound to be variation), and almost certainly a decline in DR value too (albeit that it seems fairly constrained). x-axis = Date of Release, Left y-axis = FLAC bitrate, Right y-axis = ReplayGain value Dual plot - bitrate vs date, RG Album Gain vs date (or versus the NOW! number, as in NOW! 36) |
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ktf New lossless codec comparison (Jan '13) Jan 5 2013, 21:58
IgorC ktf,
Thank You for sharing interesting comparison... Jan 6 2013, 18:41
ktf QUOTE (IgorC @ Jan 6 2013, 18:41) What de... Jan 6 2013, 19:16
ktf I know lossless audio codec comparisons have lost ... Jan 19 2013, 22:23
urak QUOTE (ktf @ Jan 19 2013, 21:23) but only... Jan 20 2013, 00:29
knutinh what kind of pc hardware did you use? did you use ... Jan 19 2013, 22:30
Fabiolander What a job !
Thank you but could you translat... Jan 19 2013, 22:33
ktf QUOTE (knutinh @ Jan 19 2013, 22:30) what... Jan 19 2013, 22:41
romor Is sourceforge slowly dying? This is not the first... Jan 19 2013, 22:46
Gregory S. Chudov Great job!
Shameless self-promotion on my par... Jan 20 2013, 09:21
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (Gregory S. Chudov @ Jan 20 2013, 10... Jan 20 2013, 12:18
ktf QUOTE (romor @ Jan 19 2013, 22:46) Is sou... Jan 20 2013, 14:31
Dynamic QUOTE (ktf @ Jan 20 2013, 13:31) So, in s... Jan 21 2013, 11:17
ktf QUOTE (Dynamic @ Jan 21 2013, 11:17) I su... Jan 21 2013, 14:42
ktf QUOTE (romor @ Jan 19 2013, 22:46) If I m... Mar 19 2013, 09:44
ktf Once again hi all,
Today I've been busy tryin... Mar 21 2013, 22:10
lvqcl BTW, there are command-line WMAL encoder and decod... Mar 22 2013, 15:09
spicymeatball77 I've got a bit of a noob question. I just Roc... Apr 5 2013, 14:26
marc2003 QUOTE (spicymeatball77 @ Apr 5 2013, 14:2... Apr 5 2013, 18:33
ChronoSphere QUOTE (spicymeatball77 @ Apr 5 2013, 15:2... Apr 7 2013, 14:31
Dynamic Yes, and the flac -8 point is the leftmost value o... Apr 5 2013, 17:13
Propheticus If I look at those graphs I see no point in using ... Apr 5 2013, 18:10
db1989 QUOTE (Propheticus @ Apr 5 2013, 18:10) I... Apr 5 2013, 18:34
Propheticus Yes -4 is the most clear point as you said. But -5... Apr 5 2013, 19:15
spicymeatball77 I transcoded my FLACs from -8 to -5 and there was ... Apr 5 2013, 20:13
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