Audible Differences in DAC's? |
Audible Differences in DAC's? |
Jan 9 2013, 19:41
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Group: Members Posts: 25 Joined: 5-February 10 Member No.: 77876 |
When he announced the release of the ODAC, NwAvGuy posted the the following on his blog:
QUOTE NO SNAKE OIL REQUIRED: Many audiophiles want to believe more elaborate or exotic DACs offer higher fidelity. The ODAC demonstrates you do NOT need any of these for 100% transparent performance: Asynchronous USB UAC2 (USB Audio Class 2) Support Asynchronous Sample Rate Conversion (ASRC), Minimum Phase Filtering (no pre-ringing) Non-oversampling NOS DAC chips Dual DAC chips Balanced Outputs Vacuum Tube Stages Elaborate and/or High Current Power Supplies Is his position accurate/defensible? If there was a well-designed DB/ABX test of the ODAC and sub $500/$1000 DAC's (e.g., Audioquest Dragonfly, iFi Micro iDAC, Audioengine D1, Emotiva XDA-2, etc.) that are are Asynchronous, USB Audio Class 2, etc. etc., do you think there would be 'audible/discernible' differences? The reason that I am asking is that I am curious as to the whether there really is much of an audible difference between various sub $500 or $1,000 DAC's, and I haven't come across any DB tests of DAC's. I have read many subjective reviews that claim differences are quite noticeable. Of course, there are major differences in terms of the types and number of inputs and outputs that a DAC may have, whether they include a headphone amp, how portable they are, etc. I am not trying to start a fight/flame war, I am just curious as to what the 'prevailing wisdom is' on this site. If you think there are differences in sub $500/$1000 DAC's, what do you believe are the relevant factors (e.g., USB vs Toslink/Coax)? I know that 'speakers' make a difference, but am unsure about how much, if any, difference there is between DAC's. Again, just trying to become an informed consumer (and save $), not trying to start fights. TIA PS...I should note that I appreciate people like NwAvGuy and others who try to provide quality products, diy options, etc., at reasonable prices. |
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Feb 4 2013, 22:23
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Group: Members Posts: 3083 Joined: 1-September 05 From: SE Pennsylvania Member No.: 24233 |
You did notice that he said that two of the files had slightly different gain?
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Feb 6 2013, 03:48
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 3212 Joined: 29-October 08 From: USA, 48236 Member No.: 61311 |
You did notice that he said that two of the files had slightly different gain? The level difference is about 1 dB in the left channel, according to a CEP2.1 analysis of the file from about 7.4 seconds in, to the end of the file (after the applause, just the music. The applause portion of waveform undergoes major visible changes, but the music does not change that much. The difference in noise level is about 3 dB at the approximately -55 dB level. The response at 20 KHz falls by about 20 dB, but is pretty close up to 16 KHz. Not bad for 24 generations through a fairly average audio interface. I would expect the overall level difference to be the most audible change. The ca. 1 dB difference should be pretty easy to hear. It would be interesting if someone eliminated or reduced the olevel difference to a tenth of a dB or 2 tenths, and tried again. |
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sawdin Audible Differences in DAC's? Jan 9 2013, 19:41
pdq I'm curious why you felt the need to limit the... Jan 9 2013, 19:55
sawdin QUOTE (pdq @ Jan 9 2013, 13:55) I'm c... Jan 9 2013, 20:14
greynol $500 is far too much for a transparent DAC. ... Jan 9 2013, 20:26
sawdin QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 9 2013, 14:26) ... Jan 9 2013, 20:31
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (sawdin @ Jan 9 2013, 14:31) Okay, ... Jan 10 2013, 00:47
sawdin QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jan 9 2013, 18... Jan 11 2013, 16:41
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (sawdin @ Jan 11 2013, 10:41) How a... Jan 14 2013, 14:52
DVDdoug Most sub-$100 CD players or portable music pl... Jan 9 2013, 20:29
greynol I don't feel challenged, rather it is I who is... Jan 9 2013, 20:42
Speedskater Unfortunately the NwAvGuy has lost interest in the... Jan 9 2013, 20:51
sawdin QUOTE (Speedskater @ Jan 9 2013, 14:51) U... Jan 9 2013, 21:11
ktf You can try for yourself, download this: http://dl... Jan 9 2013, 22:56
arve QUOTE (ktf @ Jan 9 2013, 22:56) You can t... Feb 4 2013, 20:40
mzil At extremely elevated levels (which with normal le... Feb 4 2013, 21:28
arve QUOTE (mzil @ Feb 4 2013, 21:28) At extre... Feb 4 2013, 22:01
skamp QUOTE (sawdin @ Jan 9 2013, 20:31) Okay, ... Jan 9 2013, 23:37
sawdin Thanks to all who have replied. Very informative,... Jan 10 2013, 01:47
Mach-X Haha skamp exactly why I love my zunehd! Its s... Jan 14 2013, 06:27
Mach-X btw Arnold, the folks at Zanden would disagree wit... Jan 15 2013, 03:58
probedb QUOTE (Mach-X @ Jan 15 2013, 02:58) ... Jan 15 2013, 09:05
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (probedb @ Jan 15 2013, 03:05) QUOT... Jan 16 2013, 14:43
arve QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 4 2013, 22:23) You did n... Feb 4 2013, 22:50
Mach-X My question here is, if the sansa clip+ provides l... Feb 6 2013, 10:10
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Mach-X @ Feb 6 2013, 04:10) M... Feb 6 2013, 11:09
skamp Sure, the ODAC is overkill, but that's not a b... Feb 6 2013, 11:45
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (skamp @ Feb 6 2013, 05:45) Sure, t... Feb 24 2013, 11:58
mzil QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 24 2013, 05... Feb 24 2013, 22:10
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (mzil @ Feb 24 2013, 16:10) QUOTE (... Feb 25 2013, 15:51
DonP Of course the big limitation of clip is that whil... Feb 24 2013, 14:32
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (DonP @ Feb 24 2013, 08:32) Of cour... Feb 24 2013, 20:11![]() ![]() |
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