A secret "known by signal processing experts" or nonsense? |
A secret "known by signal processing experts" or nonsense? |
Jan 10 2013, 17:16
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http://www.wickeddigital.com.au/index.php/...eally-necessary Sets out what is described as a White Paper by Marco Manunta of M2Tech. It contains the following passage (my emphasis) "But there is something more. It’s known by signal processing experts, and absolutely not popularized amongst music lovers, that converting an analog signal into a discrete-time one (as it happens when converting from analog to digital) destroys the phase information in the two top octaves of the resulting spectrum. In a CD-standard digital recording, all phase information are lost from 5.5kHz up to 22kHz," Can any signal processing experts comment on whether this is true or not, and if so why. As a mere layman I am not able to understand why it even might seem be true. |
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Jan 13 2013, 20:09
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Delay by a half sample: up-convert to a higher samplerate, perform the delay and then down-convert.
Pretty simple! -------------------- Everything sounds the same until it is proven otherwise.
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Jan 14 2013, 03:16
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Delay by a half sample: up-convert to a higher samplerate, perform the delay and then down-convert. Pretty simple! Even easier, it's a gaussian impulse, it has no energy outside Fs/2 to speak of, so you can shift it analytically. it's of the form e^(((t-t0)^2))/c)*sin(2*pi*f*(t-t0)) So you just change t0.
Reason for edit: formula
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Jan 15 2013, 21:42
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Oh, you math guys...
Though I do understand up-sample, delay, down-sample. --Ethan -------------------- I believe in Truth, Justice, and the Scientific Method
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adamdea A secret "known by signal processing experts" or nonsense? Jan 10 2013, 17:16
greynol It's complete nonsense. But hey, it's the ... Jan 10 2013, 17:31
saratoga QUOTE (adamdea @ Jan 10 2013, 11:16) Can ... Jan 10 2013, 17:33
DonP QUOTE (adamdea @ Jan 10 2013, 11:16) http... Jan 10 2013, 17:44
jmvalin QUOTE (adamdea @ Jan 10 2013, 11:16) ... Jan 10 2013, 18:19
Kohlrabi Their website is filled with various other nonsens... Jan 10 2013, 18:33
eahm Thank you adamdea, now we all need a 5.6MHz/1mbit ... Jan 10 2013, 19:01
mzil QUOTE (adamdea @ Jan 10 2013, 12:16) http... Jan 10 2013, 19:54
db1989 QUOTE (mzil @ Jan 10 2013, 18:54) However... Jan 10 2013, 21:09
adamdea Thanks everyone, I thought it seemed like nonsense... Jan 10 2013, 23:08
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (adamdea @ Jan 10 2013, 17:08) Than... Jan 11 2013, 16:58
dhromed QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jan 11 2013, 16... Jan 11 2013, 17:12

saratoga QUOTE (dhromed @ Jan 11 2013, 11:12) QUOT... Jan 11 2013, 17:22
mzil QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jan 11 2013, 11... Jan 11 2013, 17:58

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (mzil @ Jan 11 2013, 11:58) QUOTE (... Jan 11 2013, 21:31

mzil QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jan 11 2013, 16... Jan 11 2013, 23:33

Kees de Visser You're being mean with old men (like me) Jan 12 2013, 10:25
Ethan Winer QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jan 11 2013, 10... Jan 11 2013, 21:27

jmvalin QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Jan 11 2013, 15:27) ... Jan 11 2013, 22:26

Ethan Winer QUOTE (jmvalin @ Jan 11 2013, 16:26) Actu... Jan 12 2013, 19:32

Woodinville QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Jan 12 2013, 10:32) ... Jan 12 2013, 20:21


Ethan Winer QUOTE (Woodinville @ Jan 12 2013, 14:21) ... Jan 13 2013, 20:03


jmvalin QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Jan 13 2013, 14:03) ... Jan 13 2013, 20:17

jmvalin QUOTE (Ethan Winer @ Jan 12 2013, 13:32) ... Jan 13 2013, 08:46
Woodinville QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jan 11 2013, 07... Jan 12 2013, 20:17
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (adamdea @ Jan 10 2013, 11:16) http... Jan 11 2013, 03:58
greynol Detection of phase differences between channels do... Jan 11 2013, 20:32
mzil QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 11 2013, 15:32) Dete... Jan 11 2013, 21:31
greynol @Ethan:
I hope this isn't, "I tried it on... Jan 11 2013, 21:32
Ethan Winer QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 11 2013, 15:32) I ho... Jan 11 2013, 22:00
greynol I did not take the OP as meaning phase relation be... Jan 11 2013, 21:39
Woodinville QUOTE (adamdea @ Jan 10 2013, 08:16) http... Jan 12 2013, 20:14![]() ![]() |
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