EAC C2 error correction, Use it or not? |
EAC C2 error correction, Use it or not? |
May 29 2003, 22:56
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My drive supports C2 error correction and I have been using it always since it gives the fastest rips for me, while still no errors are reported and all track qualities are above 99.5%. Using this option, I get rip speeds of 18x and I was wondering whether C2 error correction is really that reliable? I mean, I never get error messages, the track quality is always reported to be over 99.5% and I cannot hear any audible difference. Is there any incentive NOT to rip at 18x under these conditions?! Btw, my drive is a LiteOn 48x CDRW (I can't remember the model name off the top of my head)
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Jun 1 2003, 06:22
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![]() Group: Members (Donating) Posts: 1180 Joined: 21-February 02 From: Chicago Member No.: 1367 |
QUOTE a) 990 not repeatable and detected by C2. b ) 5 repeatable and detected by C2, c) 5 not repeatable and not detected by C2. I think terminologywise "consistent" is a better term here than "repeatable". There're also "D) consistent (repeating) errors that C2 could not detect" that I was referring to. I think they've just become a part of the CD. QUOTE The 5 b ) errors are detected, but not corrected, though EAC believes they are I don't understand this. If EAC gets constant C2 errors no matter how many times it reads, wouldn't it go on indefinitely? Or does it just give up even though C2 tells something is wrong after sufficiently many multiple reads? With your logic applied to all sorts of errors, we come to the conclusion that "C2 off" should give a better, though sometimes inaccurate result. Because C2 does not help when it comes to errors of type B in which "C2 off" is totally blind but "C2 off" helps errors of type C. But wait isn't C2 also an error correction mechanism? Is there some B type errors that could be corrected with the help of C2 information? QUOTE There is an error detection, and correction, mechanism in audio CDs Hmm, I've naively believed so far that as opposed to Data CDs, Audio CDs have no error detection/correction mechanism. That's why we had accurate rip problems. So what's the difference then? Is there more redundancy for error correction purposes in a Data CD (because it's always secure unless there're major errors)? I'll read the thread you gave, it seems very infomative but rather long -------------------- The object of mankind lies in its highest individuals.
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RiskyP EAC C2 error correction May 29 2003, 22:56
atici Compare the CRCs of your reads with and without C2... May 29 2003, 23:01
Pio2001 This CRC method only works for tracks with errors ... May 30 2003, 00:26
RiskyP I could not find info on cdrinfo.com but thanks fo... May 30 2003, 16:17
RiskyP This is a bit off topic, but how much do you think... May 30 2003, 17:13
liekloo QUOTE (Pio2001 @ May 30 2003 - 12:26 AM)This ... May 30 2003, 18:21
atici You may want to check this thread about the setti... May 30 2003, 18:24
Pio2001 I meant that if you turn C2 on, then test and copy... May 30 2003, 19:35
atici Yes, you're right! I knew that. But that... May 30 2003, 19:52
Pio2001 I don't know, I still must verify Tigre's ... May 30 2003, 19:56
atici But wasn't it you who said when you unset ... May 30 2003, 20:49
Pio2001 When C2 is unset, the drive doesn't take C2 in... May 31 2003, 01:09
liekloo QUOTE (Pio2001 @ May 30 2003 - 07:35 PM)I mea... May 31 2003, 21:36
atici @liekloo : I think you're too much of a stickl... May 31 2003, 23:03
Pio2001 QUOTE (atici @ Jun 1 2003 - 01:03 AM)I trust ... Jun 1 2003, 01:25
westgroveg If someone was to test the C2 info of their CD-ROM... Jun 1 2003, 06:48
liekloo QUOTE (atici @ May 31 2003 - 11:03 PM)the kin... Jun 1 2003, 16:32
Pio2001 QUOTE (atici @ Jun 1 2003 - 08:22 AM)I think ... Jun 1 2003, 18:41
moikboy If i rip with c2, i rip the data twice, and compar... Feb 6 2008, 21:52
greynol Whoa, resurrection of a 4.5 year old thread!
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Shamray Hello!
"CD ROMs are like audio CD with ... Mar 30 2011, 07:36
pdq QUOTE (Shamray @ Mar 30 2011, 02:36) Hell... Mar 30 2011, 13:53
JunkieXL Sheesh... what's with the random resurrection ... Mar 30 2011, 21:13
mjb2006 The first revival of the thread was on topic and m... Mar 30 2011, 22:35
greynol My last post was a bit difficult to follow if take... Mar 30 2011, 22:55![]() ![]() |
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