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A new discussion on over-compressed CD titles, Split from the one comparing vinyl to CD (no vinyl involved)
db1989
post Jan 29 2013, 18:20
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QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jan 29 2013, 15:41) *
QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 29 2013, 12:03) *
This looks like one for the list of vinyl that beats the CD issue:
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/cali...-4#post-8180551
(note - it's only the new vinyl, not the old vinyl).
Is there a reason for not putting this new version out on CD or iTunes? Other than finally giving the world the evidence that Vlado Meller has devastating influence on rock music?
QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Jan 29 2013, 22:35) *
In my opinion there's never a reason why a good-sounding master, as found on any LP, shouldn't be put to CD or iTunes. (And I say that as one who likes and purchases vinyl as much or more than digital.)

EDIT: I don't mean any LP has a better sounding master than the CD. Poorly-worded perhaps.
Yes, fans with competent hearing feeling obliged to buy a new version would be insult enough, but that’s so many times worse when it costs $35 (to quote one figure) and is not properly (=100%) archivable.

And now for something completely different: Is Coldplay’s Mylo Xyloto covered in clipping, or was I imagining it? I have yet to examine any waveforms, but I seem to have noticed a distinct fizziness a couple of times while listening to it, which really doesn’t fit the style (as if clipping ever does, but you know what I mean).

This post has been edited by db1989: Feb 1 2013, 17:07
Reason for edit: adding quotes to contextualise first paragraph due to threads being split
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post Jan 31 2013, 11:16
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I don't listen to Coldplay, but my wife has a lot of their albums. I had in the past casually noticed that when she played X&Y on our main system is sounded absolutely dreadful.

So this thread prompted me to do a quick clipping analysis of all the albums she has. And on first inspection, Mylo Xyloto has the least amount of clipping. See the various attached images. Clipping here is defined as 4 or more consecutive samples at or above -0.5dB which have the same sample value within a variance of 0.2% (ie. comprise a "flat-top"). As you can see, there is a fairly shocking amount of clipping on all the Coldplay albums, and indeed Parachutes is the worst of the lot:
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However, the apparent less-damaged nature of Mylo Xyloto is partially hidden by the fact that it has a lot of clipping well below full scale. All of the above scans were looking for clipping at or above -0.5dB. If we rescan Mylo Xyloto looking for clipping at or above -1.5dB, we get a worse result:
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My personal opinion is that except in extreme circumstances (eg. perhaps the cannon shots in the 1812 overture) there can be no excuse for any clipping whatsoever.
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post Jan 31 2013, 12:16
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QUOTE (cliveb @ Jan 31 2013, 04:16) *
...except in extreme circumstances (eg. perhaps the cannon shots in the 1812 overture) there can be no excuse for any clipping whatsoever.


This should be elevated to Quote of the Week-status. smile.gif

I've been using some of my spare time on the 'net to harass kindly ask some of the bands I follow on Facebook (who are posting updates about new albums) to not let the engineers/producers brickwall the recordings. They're listening, but I'm not too hopeful that they will care enough. I think sometimes it's the artists themselves who choose the clipped mixes.


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- db1989   A new discussion on over-compressed CD titles   Jan 29 2013, 18:20
- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (db1989 @ Jan 29 2013, 18:20) And n...   Jan 29 2013, 23:13
|- - bug80   QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jan 30 2013, 00:13) QUO...   Jan 30 2013, 14:31
|- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (bug80 @ Jan 30 2013, 14:31) Pleade...   Jan 30 2013, 14:49
|- - bug80   QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jan 30 2013, 15:49) QUO...   Jan 30 2013, 15:03
- - cliveb   I don't listen to Coldplay, but my wife has a ...   Jan 31 2013, 11:16
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (cliveb @ Jan 31 2013, 10:16) I don...   Jan 31 2013, 11:57
||- - cliveb   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 31 2013, 10:57) Ho...   Jan 31 2013, 18:17
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (cliveb @ Jan 31 2013, 04:16) ...ex...   Jan 31 2013, 12:16
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||- - bug80   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 31 2013, 13:28) QU...   Jan 31 2013, 13:37
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (bug80 @ Jan 31 2013, 12:37) Well, ...   Jan 31 2013, 15:08
|||- - bug80   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 31 2013, 16:08) QU...   Feb 1 2013, 13:51
|||- - cliveb   QUOTE (bug80 @ Feb 1 2013, 12:51) Coldpla...   Feb 1 2013, 15:41
||- - cliveb   QUOTE (bug80 @ Jan 31 2013, 12:37) BTW, I...   Jan 31 2013, 18:23
|- - db1989   QUOTE (cliveb @ Jan 31 2013, 10:16) I don...   Feb 4 2013, 22:51
- - 2Bdecided   Talking of clipping and distortion: Emeli Sandé - ...   Feb 1 2013, 14:12
|- - bug80   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 1 2013, 15:12) You...   Feb 1 2013, 14:24
||- - krabapple   QUOTE (bug80 @ Feb 1 2013, 08:24) QUOTE (...   Feb 7 2013, 04:34
||- - cliveb   QUOTE (krabapple @ Feb 7 2013, 03:34) Wha...   Feb 7 2013, 21:02
||- - krabapple   Sorry cliveb, I'd forgotten about the variance...   Feb 8 2013, 21:05
|- - bug80   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 1 2013, 15:12) Tal...   Feb 1 2013, 14:32
- - mixminus1   Just because a waveform visibly clips doesn't ...   Feb 1 2013, 18:20
|- - bug80   I rescanned 'Champagne Supernova' with the...   Feb 1 2013, 18:55
|- - David Jay   Glad people here found the Owen Morris interview o...   Feb 3 2013, 16:03
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (David Jay @ Feb 3 2013, 15:03) Gla...   Feb 4 2013, 14:39
|- - bug80   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 4 2013, 14:39) QUO...   Feb 4 2013, 15:09
|- - David Jay   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 4 2013, 14:39) Wow...   Feb 8 2013, 14:05
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|- - bug80   QUOTE (LithosZA @ Feb 4 2013, 16:18) QUOT...   Feb 4 2013, 23:17
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (bug80 @ Feb 4 2013, 22:17) That ma...   Feb 5 2013, 10:05
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (cliveb @ Feb 5 2013, 04:05) Limiti...   Feb 7 2013, 04:38
- - Neuron   If I find something not loud enough, I turn up the...   Feb 4 2013, 22:22
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Neuron @ Feb 4 2013, 21:22) If I f...   Feb 5 2013, 17:02
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 5 2013, 10:02) ......   Feb 6 2013, 01:24
- - LithosZA   QUOTE That makes me curious: what kind of music do...   Feb 5 2013, 12:21
- - Mach-X   I think too much has been made of the whole 'l...   Feb 6 2013, 10:41
|- - Stone Free   QUOTE (Mach-X @ Feb 6 2013, 10:41) I...   Feb 6 2013, 15:33
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Mach-X @ Feb 6 2013, 03:41) ....   Feb 6 2013, 16:46
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (Mach-X @ Feb 6 2013, 04:41) I...   Feb 7 2013, 04:43
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|- - Porcus   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 6 2013, 17:48) FWIW,...   Feb 6 2013, 18:29
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- - bug80   On a positive note, the new Nick Cave album did no...   Feb 15 2013, 10:53


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