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A new discussion on over-compressed CD titles, Split from the one comparing vinyl to CD (no vinyl involved)
db1989
post Jan 29 2013, 18:20
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QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jan 29 2013, 15:41) *
QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 29 2013, 12:03) *
This looks like one for the list of vinyl that beats the CD issue:
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/cali...-4#post-8180551
(note - it's only the new vinyl, not the old vinyl).
Is there a reason for not putting this new version out on CD or iTunes? Other than finally giving the world the evidence that Vlado Meller has devastating influence on rock music?
QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Jan 29 2013, 22:35) *
In my opinion there's never a reason why a good-sounding master, as found on any LP, shouldn't be put to CD or iTunes. (And I say that as one who likes and purchases vinyl as much or more than digital.)

EDIT: I don't mean any LP has a better sounding master than the CD. Poorly-worded perhaps.
Yes, fans with competent hearing feeling obliged to buy a new version would be insult enough, but that’s so many times worse when it costs $35 (to quote one figure) and is not properly (=100%) archivable.

And now for something completely different: Is Coldplay’s Mylo Xyloto covered in clipping, or was I imagining it? I have yet to examine any waveforms, but I seem to have noticed a distinct fizziness a couple of times while listening to it, which really doesn’t fit the style (as if clipping ever does, but you know what I mean).

This post has been edited by db1989: Feb 1 2013, 17:07
Reason for edit: adding quotes to contextualise first paragraph due to threads being split
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Mach-X
post Feb 6 2013, 10:41
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I think too much has been made of the whole 'loudness/compression' thing. 'Hey what do you think this album sounds like' 'Hey let me check my spectrum analyzer'. I was once accused of 'soapboxing' by greynol in another thread, and he was correct, it wasn't appropriate for THAT thread, but perhaps this is the right one. I will choose Metallica's 'Death Magnetic', despite the fact it's now 5 years old, but it's a favorite for 'compression' fanbois. Metallica have always been a band to use different 'sound' for each of their albums, ie kill'em all was very crisp with lots of reverb, and fat bass drum, whereas 'black' was an extremely dry mix, intended for the new 'digital' generation. 'Justice' was highly processed with little bass guitar, etc, etc. I find it ironic that so called 'audiophiles' are so paranoid of clipping, yet they run for their overpriced tube amps, and direct drive turntables, which are the epitome of 'euphoric distortion'. Last I checked, an album was representitave of an artists 'creative expression'. The more I listen to 'Death Magnetic' the more I warm up to it. Now does that mean I want to hear every new album that way? Of course not. But for this album, rick ruben's presentation, and at this point in Metallica's illustrious career, its different enough from each of their previous albums to provide one more 'unique' album listening experience, one I treasure with my ears instead of graphs.
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post Feb 6 2013, 16:46
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QUOTE (Mach-X @ Feb 6 2013, 03:41) *
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...And Justice for All was not highly-processed; it was rather quite the opposite. Most of the other thrash bands at the time immediately tried to emulate the unprocessed drum sound and production with their releases that followed (Testament - Practice What You Preach, Flotsam and Jetsam - When the Storm Comes Down, Overkill - The Years of Decay, etc.)

Most of the audiophiles I know despise direct-drive TTs and prefer belt-driven ones.

I don't think enough has been made of the whole "loudness/compression" thing. If that makes me a fanboi in your mind and you feel the need to polarize people based on preference (like equating someone's legitimate criticisms of the poorly-supported WMA format with "anti microsoft sentiment,") then let me conclude with this opinion shared by many: the production on Death Magnetic sucked ass. I loathe albums like that that I can't even turn up to a decent level on my own. I have to listen to that crap at low volumes and even then it's fatiguing. The fact that you had to listen to it repeatedly to warm up to it, doesn't apparently illustrate that you liked it that much either. It rather seems to me that you're trying to like it. Now I may be making some immature assumption, but it's based on what you said rather than some sweeping asinine statements categorizing nobody in particular as "fanbois" and "audiophiles."

I honestly get that there are some that prefer the way things are produced now. This thread is obviously not going to appeal to them.

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- db1989   A new discussion on over-compressed CD titles   Jan 29 2013, 18:20
- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (db1989 @ Jan 29 2013, 18:20) And n...   Jan 29 2013, 23:13
|- - bug80   QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jan 30 2013, 00:13) QUO...   Jan 30 2013, 14:31
|- - Kohlrabi   QUOTE (bug80 @ Jan 30 2013, 14:31) Pleade...   Jan 30 2013, 14:49
|- - bug80   QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Jan 30 2013, 15:49) QUO...   Jan 30 2013, 15:03
- - cliveb   I don't listen to Coldplay, but my wife has a ...   Jan 31 2013, 11:16
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (cliveb @ Jan 31 2013, 10:16) I don...   Jan 31 2013, 11:57
||- - cliveb   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 31 2013, 10:57) Ho...   Jan 31 2013, 18:17
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (cliveb @ Jan 31 2013, 04:16) ...ex...   Jan 31 2013, 12:16
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Jan 31 2013, 11:16) ...   Jan 31 2013, 12:28
||- - bug80   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 31 2013, 13:28) QU...   Jan 31 2013, 13:37
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (bug80 @ Jan 31 2013, 12:37) Well, ...   Jan 31 2013, 15:08
|||- - bug80   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 31 2013, 16:08) QU...   Feb 1 2013, 13:51
|||- - cliveb   QUOTE (bug80 @ Feb 1 2013, 12:51) Coldpla...   Feb 1 2013, 15:41
||- - cliveb   QUOTE (bug80 @ Jan 31 2013, 12:37) BTW, I...   Jan 31 2013, 18:23
|- - db1989   QUOTE (cliveb @ Jan 31 2013, 10:16) I don...   Feb 4 2013, 22:51
- - 2Bdecided   Talking of clipping and distortion: Emeli Sandé - ...   Feb 1 2013, 14:12
|- - bug80   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 1 2013, 15:12) You...   Feb 1 2013, 14:24
||- - krabapple   QUOTE (bug80 @ Feb 1 2013, 08:24) QUOTE (...   Feb 7 2013, 04:34
||- - cliveb   QUOTE (krabapple @ Feb 7 2013, 03:34) Wha...   Feb 7 2013, 21:02
||- - krabapple   Sorry cliveb, I'd forgotten about the variance...   Feb 8 2013, 21:05
|- - bug80   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 1 2013, 15:12) Tal...   Feb 1 2013, 14:32
- - mixminus1   Just because a waveform visibly clips doesn't ...   Feb 1 2013, 18:20
|- - bug80   I rescanned 'Champagne Supernova' with the...   Feb 1 2013, 18:55
|- - David Jay   Glad people here found the Owen Morris interview o...   Feb 3 2013, 16:03
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (David Jay @ Feb 3 2013, 15:03) Gla...   Feb 4 2013, 14:39
|- - bug80   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 4 2013, 14:39) QUO...   Feb 4 2013, 15:09
|- - David Jay   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 4 2013, 14:39) Wow...   Feb 8 2013, 14:05
- - LithosZA   QUOTE It's good that a site like this exists, ...   Feb 4 2013, 16:18
|- - bug80   QUOTE (LithosZA @ Feb 4 2013, 16:18) QUOT...   Feb 4 2013, 23:17
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (bug80 @ Feb 4 2013, 22:17) That ma...   Feb 5 2013, 10:05
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (cliveb @ Feb 5 2013, 04:05) Limiti...   Feb 7 2013, 04:38
- - Neuron   If I find something not loud enough, I turn up the...   Feb 4 2013, 22:22
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Neuron @ Feb 4 2013, 21:22) If I f...   Feb 5 2013, 17:02
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 5 2013, 10:02) ......   Feb 6 2013, 01:24
- - LithosZA   QUOTE That makes me curious: what kind of music do...   Feb 5 2013, 12:21
- - Mach-X   I think too much has been made of the whole 'l...   Feb 6 2013, 10:41
|- - Stone Free   QUOTE (Mach-X @ Feb 6 2013, 10:41) I...   Feb 6 2013, 15:33
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (Mach-X @ Feb 6 2013, 03:41) ....   Feb 6 2013, 16:46
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (Mach-X @ Feb 6 2013, 04:41) I...   Feb 7 2013, 04:43
- - greynol   FWIW, I believe later releases of Justice got the ...   Feb 6 2013, 17:48
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 6 2013, 17:48) FWIW,...   Feb 6 2013, 18:29
- - greynol   Clearly not the treatment I'm talking about, w...   Feb 6 2013, 20:58
- - bug80   On a positive note, the new Nick Cave album did no...   Feb 15 2013, 10:53


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