The Loudness War: Dynamic Range over the years, An analysis of the DR database |
The Loudness War: Dynamic Range over the years, An analysis of the DR database |
Feb 19 2013, 00:05
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![]() I thought it would be interesting to see how the Dynamic Range (Album DR) has developed over the years, and if this shows a clear picture about the development of the Loudness War. In order to check this, I made a dump of the DR database. I choose to focus on the period 1985-2012. The figure above shows the mean DR-value per year (the error bars represent the standard error). It is clear that, overall, the Dynamic Range of albums has decreased in this period from approximately 13 dB to the 8-9 dB range. It is also interesting to see that the minimum mean value is reached in 2008, the year that Death Magnetic was released. In 2009, we see an increase of +/- 0.5 dB (a double-sided t-test shows that this difference is statistically significant at the 0.01 level). Maybe this has to do with the awareness created by this album with respect to the Loudness War? Furthermore, it seems that the Dynamic Range does not further decrease over the last four years. Has the Loudness War come to an end? Finally, the figure below shows the number of albums per year that were analyzed. In total, 14,680 albums were included in the analysis.
This post has been edited by db1989: Feb 19 2013, 10:12
Reason for edit: as per request in post #11
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Feb 19 2013, 10:04
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I have to sadly agree: We lost - at least with 'energetic' music. Ten yrs ago I wished to go back to 80s-90s mix but now thing have deteriorated even more that i wish we could go back to 2002 or so. Sure we are stuck at -10 db forever but the mix has become more obnoxious to my ears - many releases sound now have the 'death magnetic' harshness.
Also no one is doing nothing about volume normalization. I realize its a tough one commercially but many albums are released in P2p. They are never replaygained and I believe Apple has soundcheck 'off' . Seems no one knows what to do or lack initiative / standards. There is still an element of fear to tamper with the original sound level. |
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Feb 19 2013, 10:33
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Also no one is doing nothing about volume normalization. The field has never been more active! EBU PLOUD, R128, CALM act, etc.QUOTE I realize its a tough one commercially but many albums are released in P2p. They are never replaygained and I believe Apple has soundcheck 'off' . Seems no one knows what to do or lack initiative / standards. There is still an element of fear to tamper with the original sound level. Ignorance too. However, the PLOUD group are gently pushing Apple to enable Soundcheck by default, and to move to album-based rather than track-based calculation. It'll be interesting to see if they succeed on either account this year.Cheers, David. |
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bug80 The Loudness War: Dynamic Range over the years Feb 19 2013, 00:05
extrabigmehdi Interesting graph.
QUOTE (bug80 @ Feb 18 201... Feb 19 2013, 01:19
Fandango Hm, I wonder how they managed to produce CDs in th... Feb 19 2013, 02:06
extrabigmehdi QUOTE (Fandango @ Feb 19 2013, 01:06) Hm,... Feb 19 2013, 02:59
Porcus QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Feb 19 2013, 02:59... Feb 19 2013, 10:10
DigitalMan The increasing sample size of albums analyzed in l... Feb 19 2013, 03:58
Kohlrabi QUOTE (DigitalMan @ Feb 19 2013, 03:58) J... Feb 19 2013, 08:20
cliveb QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Feb 19 2013, 07:20) If ... Feb 19 2013, 09:29

bug80 QUOTE (cliveb @ Feb 19 2013, 09:29) QUOTE... Feb 19 2013, 09:53


db1989 QUOTE (bug80 @ Feb 19 2013, 08:53) Howeve... Feb 19 2013, 10:12


bug80 QUOTE (Porcus @ Feb 19 2013, 10:10) QUOTE... Feb 19 2013, 10:22

Kohlrabi QUOTE (cliveb @ Feb 19 2013, 09:29) QUOTE... Feb 19 2013, 12:58
dhromed QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Feb 19 2013, 08:20)
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Porcus QUOTE (dhromed @ Feb 19 2013, 10:07) QUOT... Feb 19 2013, 10:28

Jplus QUOTE (dhromed @ Feb 19 2013, 10:07) QUOT... Feb 19 2013, 13:06
Kees de Visser QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Feb 19 2013, 08:20) Thi... Feb 19 2013, 13:21
Kohlrabi QUOTE (Kees de Visser @ Feb 19 2013, 13:2... Feb 19 2013, 14:21
extrabigmehdi QUOTE (Kees de Visser @ Feb 19 2013, 12:2... Feb 19 2013, 14:42
dhromed QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Feb 19 2013, 14:42... Feb 19 2013, 14:57
guerrillero QUOTE (dhromed @ Feb 19 2013, 14:57) QUOT... Feb 19 2013, 15:12
bug80 QUOTE (guerrillero @ Feb 19 2013, 15:12) ... Feb 19 2013, 15:15
mzil QUOTE (bug80 @ Feb 18 2013, 19:05) Furthe... Feb 19 2013, 07:01
bug80 QUOTE (Fandango @ Feb 19 2013, 02:06) Hm,... Feb 19 2013, 08:10
LithosZA QUOTE There are plnty of other possible reasons fo... Feb 19 2013, 09:46
Engelsstaub I would honestly settle for the solid DR 9 average... Feb 19 2013, 10:43
guerrillero the problem i have with this data is the following... Feb 19 2013, 11:17
bug80 QUOTE (guerrillero @ Feb 19 2013, 11:17) ... Feb 19 2013, 12:41
guerrillero QUOTE (bug80 @ Feb 19 2013, 12:41) Althou... Feb 19 2013, 14:16
bug80 QUOTE (guerrillero @ Feb 19 2013, 14:16) ... Feb 19 2013, 15:03
icstm is this dataset somewhere to download?
I would lo... Feb 28 2013, 15:55
bug80 QUOTE (icstm @ Feb 28 2013, 15:55) is thi... Mar 11 2013, 09:10
Porcus Re the selection issue: I am not so concerned abou... Feb 19 2013, 14:15
rick.hughes I have the impression that a lot of people buy mos... Feb 19 2013, 14:42
extrabigmehdi Well I believe in fragmentation of market, because... Feb 19 2013, 16:03
hawkeye_p Well at least Krautrock was invented way longer th... Feb 19 2013, 16:07
probedb Prog rock, industrial, stoner etc were around over... Feb 19 2013, 16:07
extrabigmehdi QUOTE (probedb @ Feb 19 2013, 15:07) Prog... Feb 19 2013, 16:19
greynol Don't tell Kansas and Yes fans that!
Also... Feb 19 2013, 16:33
Porcus Obviously there's a greater chance of knowing ... Feb 19 2013, 16:44
2Bdecided I suspect people's assumptions about music sal... Feb 19 2013, 18:07
ianshepherd For those who are interested, I'm compiling a ... Feb 19 2013, 21:22
icstm As you have so expertly done teh work can I just a... Mar 11 2013, 19:54
bernhold I always wondered what the reason of the loudness ... May 4 2013, 21:15
db1989 I won’t claim to speak for our industry-minded mem... May 4 2013, 21:22
smok3 Is there a link/explanation to what exactly DR is ... May 5 2013, 14:21
soundping Maybe hearing loss inspired the loudness wars? May 5 2013, 17:19
Gecko I've always pictured a room full of record-lab... May 5 2013, 19:26
2Bdecided QUOTE (Gecko @ May 5 2013, 19:26) I'v... May 6 2013, 19:43
audiofilaid I'm reading "Appetite For Destuction: The... May 15 2013, 23:20![]() ![]() |
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