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Scale the Summit's "Master" Fail, Ths is what we can expect now, I guess.
Engelsstaub
post Feb 22 2013, 22:42
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I (thankfully) don't listen to this band but I have Prosthetic Records on my Facebook due to a few others on their roster that I appreciate.

Here's a screenshot of what these dumbasses submitted to the label as their "master." Is anyone else shocked that any record company would accept this as normal?



...I guess we can expect this sort of "professionalism" from the recording industry these days.


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post Feb 23 2013, 00:54
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QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 22 2013, 16:59) *
...Otherwise, why wouldn’t people continue to ask you in an attempt to get an elusive straight answer as to whatever has gotten you so riled up? Playing the victim isn’t going to help anyone here, either.

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My assumption is based on the information they provided. What is yours based on? It looks like they just got a CD and they are playing it in their office. That's what I took away from that post.
Once again: What would be wrong with that?

Also, I like how you jump to a blanket dismissal of the entire recording industry, whereas it was the band who submitted the master, and this is only an anecdote about a single label. I think, if you want to complain about the industry, there are many better places to start.


I made it abundantly clear in my second post what was to you "so elusive and got me all riled up." Please review it.

Where's the blanket dismissal of the industry? The subtitle?? It's called sarcasm. I know pretty well that the "band submitted the master." The label seemed to accept it as such.

So can we get back to the Redbook CD-R-thing I mentioned almost straight away? I'm sorry, but all I got was the impression that you were trying to agitate me (I like to think I've been a productive poster here in the recent past) by condescension and dismissal. "Playing the victim."


QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 22 2013, 17:09) *
QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 14:53) *
...I would have never started this thread if I had known I would have to immediately go into defensive-mode.

I guess you expected us all to join in on the bashing like we do when someone posts something that was found on head-fi or stereophile?

Perhaps I should have just said that this probably happens a lot more often than you or I know and in places you or I might not expect. wink.gif


I sort-of do expect the bashing of other forums whose biases don't lean in the directions as this one (right or wrong.) "Friendly rivalries." I get that. I wasn't expecting immediate personal condescension regarding my "qualifications" to question something based on whether I'm a musician or not.

Sorry if I haven't been clear:

I don't believe that, if this is what it appears to be, this is an appropriate "master" for any format. Again: Apparently Prosthetic doesn't believe it either or they wouldn't have tried to convince me that they would never use Redbook to do pressings. They reportedly agree with me on this issue...if I need to keep uploading screenshots at the expense of my anonymity I guess I can.


QUOTE (xnor @ Feb 22 2013, 17:27) *
Audio CDs are 44.1/16, why would you give the record company 96/24 files?


...because, as stated above, they apparently expect them. (Hell, even iTunes is beginning to expect them now.)

I expect that...and yes: cutting records with a CD and applying an RIAA curve is bullcrap. Whether someone here likes vinyl or not. I know it happens.

@nobody in general: As db1989 said: there's plenty of things to get mad at the recording industry about. This is something I got mad about. Being condescending and dismissive isn't encouraging a productive discussion either.


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QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 23 2013, 00:54) *
...because, as stated above, they apparently expect them. (Hell, even iTunes is beginning to expect them now.)

For Audio CDs? There could be several masters, 44.1/16 for redbook, 96/24 as "HD" download, ...

It's not uncommon that different formats (Redbook, "HD" ...) are mastered differently (for example less compression).
Off-topic, but that's the reason why people think higher bitrate/samplerate files sound better. A few years ago Linn did this borderline fraudulent comparison of 44.1/16 and 96/24 files - the more expensive "hi-def" files had a clearly different looking waveform ...

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- Engelsstaub   Scale the Summit's "Master" Fail   Feb 22 2013, 22:42
- - greynol   It's what's on the disc that matters, and ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:12
- - xnor   Nobody knows what's on the disc but the record...   Feb 22 2013, 23:20
- - DVDdoug   I'm not sure if there's anything wrong wit...   Feb 22 2013, 23:22
- - Engelsstaub   @ greynol: You don't have to guess, greynol. I...   Feb 22 2013, 23:26
|- - Glenn Gundlach   Why would you assume it's necessarily 44.1 ? I...   Feb 24 2013, 02:49
||- - greynol   QUOTE (Glenn Gundlach @ Feb 23 2013, 17:4...   Feb 24 2013, 17:12
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 14:26) ...   Feb 27 2013, 09:05
- - greynol   I think you're going to have a very hard time ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:31
|- - botface   It's a long time since I was involved in the m...   Feb 24 2013, 13:15
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (botface @ Feb 24 2013, 07:15) It...   Feb 24 2013, 14:00
- - Engelsstaub   Yeah, I'm not trying to play that "16 bit...   Feb 22 2013, 23:46
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 22:46) ...   Feb 22 2013, 23:59
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 22 2013, 22:59) If yo...   Feb 25 2013, 12:44
- - carpman   Do record companies expect 16 bit masters? 45 min...   Feb 22 2013, 23:47
|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (carpman @ Feb 22 2013, 16:47) Do r...   Feb 22 2013, 23:53
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 14:53) ...   Feb 23 2013, 00:09
- - carpman   I just asked a question (and not directed at you)....   Feb 22 2013, 23:59
- - greynol   It's a master, FFS. At some point something w...   Feb 23 2013, 00:02
- - xnor   Audio CDs are 44.1/16, why would you give the reco...   Feb 23 2013, 00:27
- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (db1989 @ Feb 22 2013, 16:59) ...Ot...   Feb 23 2013, 00:54
|- - xnor   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 23 2013, 00:54) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:05
||- - greynol   QUOTE iTunes Let's not even go there or I migh...   Feb 23 2013, 01:13
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 15:54) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:05
- - Wombat   To me Master simply means final means ready for pr...   Feb 23 2013, 00:58
- - Engelsstaub   My belief is this: A Redbook CD is completely fin...   Feb 23 2013, 01:22
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 16:22) ...   Feb 23 2013, 01:45
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 19:22) ...   Feb 23 2013, 22:18
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 23 2013, 01:22) ...   Feb 25 2013, 01:09
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|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 24 2013, 19:19) ...   Feb 25 2013, 13:42
- - DVDdoug   QUOTE ...but seriously: if my cart is specced to d...   Feb 23 2013, 02:07
- - Engelsstaub   @ greynol in general: Welp, it remains that Apple ...   Feb 23 2013, 02:30
- - Porcus   Hm. Is the issue here that a CD – possibly an audi...   Feb 23 2013, 02:33
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Porcus @ Feb 22 2013, 17:33) What ...   Feb 23 2013, 02:51
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 23 2013, 02:51) It...   Feb 23 2013, 03:42
- - greynol   QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Feb 22 2013, 17:30) ...   Feb 23 2013, 02:37
- - Engelsstaub   @ Porcus: That's the stated issue, yes. Ther...   Feb 23 2013, 02:39
- - Engelsstaub   ...and...I'm done. Thanks.   Feb 23 2013, 02:52
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|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 24 2013, 13:40) ...T...   Feb 24 2013, 22:51
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- - almostmitch   but I like Scale The Summit..   Feb 25 2013, 16:28
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|- - Engelsstaub   QUOTE (LithosZA @ Feb 26 2013, 23:18) Per...   Feb 27 2013, 08:14
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