flac 1.3.0 pre-release Options

[romor]

Announced here: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2...rch/003695.html

Git change log: https://git.xiph.org/?p=flac.git;a=summary

[FreaqyFrequency]

Whoa. They've been on 1.2.1 for six years now, haven't they? I never saw this coming.

[chi]

Whoa. They've been on 1.2.1 for six years now, haven't they? I never saw this coming.

There was a discussion about “The future of FLAC” here half a year ago, so it isn’t completely out of the blue. :-)

[skamp]

Works fine on Arch Linux.

[mudlord]

As usual, Fidel Castro Loco ignored Windows.

[romor]

mudlord, don't overkill. You spent so much ink on him already. If you follow the topic you'll see that it's tested fine under mingw/msys and issues and patches are further provided for msvc.
If you want to be constructive, no one stops you

[AiZ]

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Configuration Complete =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Configuration summary :

FLAC version : ........................ 1.3.0pre1

Host CPU : ............................ i686
Host Vendor : ......................... pc
Host OS : ............................. mingw32

Compiler is GCC : ..................... yes
GCC version : ......................... 4.7.2

flac-1.3.0pre1.zip

[zfox]

Configuration summary :

FLAC version : ........................ 1.3.0pre1

Host CPU : ............................ x86_64
Host Vendor : ......................... unknown
Host OS : ............................. linux-gnu

Compiler is GCC : ..................... yes
GCC version : ......................... 4.6

My own Linux build could not decode 1 file out of 4 that were tested. It ended with an error:

03.flac: ERROR while decoding data
state = FLAC__STREAM_DECODER_END_OF_STREAM


This post has been edited by zfox: Mar 4 2013, 12:38

[Case]

Compiling it with MSVC required some modifications and I'm unhappy to see that it still can't encode larger than 2 GB files.

[zfox]

I encoded 5 full random jazz/rock albums (-8) and I get a bit (less than 1%) more compression size than before. So, no improvement here.

[ktf]

My own Linux build could not decode 1 file out of 4 that were tested. It ended with an error:

Does the file decode with 1.2.1? Also, have you run make check? If yes to both questions, this might be worth investigating.

I encoded 5 full random jazz/rock albums (-8) and I get a bit (less than 1%) more compression size than before. So, no improvement here.

You know that 1% more compression is quite a lot for lossless audio?

As usual, Fidel Castro Loco ignored Windows.

I really wonder why you think that. If you take a look at what has been posted today on the FLAC-dev mailinglist, you'll see he's been busy discussing and applying patches for MSVC, which is obviously for the Windows-build of the flac libraries and command line utilities. Something like FLAC doesn't need much platform-specific stuff because it has been developed in a very portable way.

This post has been edited by ktf: Mar 4 2013, 20:26

[eahm]

Agree, 1% is a good improvement.

Why still no 2GB+ support?

This post has been edited by eahm: Mar 4 2013, 21:15

[db1989]

Yes, still being limited to 2 GB is a glaring problem. Considering that Case already showed that it is easy to support files of any size, this should be fixed in the official code at the earliest opportunity.

[ktf]

Why still no 2GB+ support?

Because nobody submitted a patch to fix it apparently. No unicode support for Windows either.


edit:

Yes, still being limited to 2 GB is a glaring problem. Considering that Case already showed that it is easy to support files of any size, this should be fixed in the official code at the earliest opportunity.

I just submitted this to the flac-dev mailinglist. @eahm: yes, but not everyone's reading HA that thorough

This post has been edited by ktf: Mar 4 2013, 21:29

[eahm]

But there is a "patch", I am using Case's version and it has 2GB+ support.

[benski]

Yes, still being limited to 2 GB is a glaring problem. Considering that Case already showed that it is easy to support files of any size, this should be fixed in the official code at the earliest opportunity.

I just submitted this to the flac-dev mailinglist. @eahm: yes, but not everyone's reading HA that thorough

A few of us are reading it. But it would be better for everyone to continue the discussion on the flac-dev list instead.

[zfox]

Does the file decode with 1.2.1?

Yes.

Also, have you run make check?

I am doing it now. I hope It doesn't take forever.

You know that 1% more compression is quite a lot for lossless audio?

Actually, I said the opposite from what you understood. Files are bigger now.
Also, less is different than equal.

[Kohlrabi]

Maybe Case could provide the patch file instead of the compiled binary, to help out the FLAC devs.

This post has been edited by Kohlrabi: Mar 4 2013, 22:14

[ktf]

Actually, I said the opposite from what you understood. Files are bigger now.
Also, less is different than equal.

I tried a few files and you are right: the files are larger then with 1.2.1. However, this will not be the case with the final 1.3.0, because the size increase I'm seeing is exactly 4 bytes, probably because the vendor string is now 1.3.0pre1 instead of 1.2.1, that's 4 characters more

But you're right: there have been no improvements considering compression, this release will be to keep FLAC up-to-date for developers mainly.

[C.R.Helmrich]

I tried a few files and you are right: the files are larger then with 1.2.1. However, this will not be the case with the final 1.3.0, because the size increase I'm seeing is exactly 4 bytes, probably because the vendor string is now 1.3.0pre1 instead of 1.2.1, that's 4 characters more

OK, so aside from the vendor string, will 1.3.0 produce exactly the same FLAC bit-streams as 1.2.1? I'm just wondering whether 7- and 8-channel support is the only new feature for end users like me...

Chris

[eahm]

You know that 1% more compression is quite a lot for lossless audio?

Actually, I said the opposite from what you understood. Files are bigger now.
Also, less is different than equal.

Pink Floyd - Echoes

wav: 238 MB (249,587,573 bytes)

flac.exe 1.2.1: 119 MB (125,539,573 bytes)

flac.exe 1.3.0pre1: 119 MB (125,537,329 bytes)

[marc2003]

flac-1.3.0pre1.zip

could you (or anyone else) tell me what option i need to use to build just the .exe? i've tried compiling myself and it works but i'm ending up with an extra file named libFLAC-8.dll which is required for it to run. i guess i'm just missing a configure option?

[kurtnoise]

./configure --enable-static --disable-shared

[zfox]

Well, the first directory contains wav files that include no foreign metadata or tags. The second directory, files that were encoded with the Rarewares build. The third directory, files with my new linux 1.3.0 build.

CODE

zfox@paokfc01:~/temp/wav$ ls -la
total 2069368
drwxrwxr-x 2 zfox zfox 4096 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 08:18 .
drwxrwxr-x 6 zfox zfox 4096 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 08:18 ..
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 644570348 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:22 Caravan - Ether Way.wav
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 466453388 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:22 King Crimson - Islands.wav
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 553853708 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:22 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead [Rem 2000].wav
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 454088924 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:22 Pete Sinfield - Still [Rem 2004].wav
zfox@paokfc01:~/temp/wav$ cd ../1.2.1_rarewares
zfox@paokfc01:~/temp/1.2.1_rarewares$ ls -la
total 1180348
drwxrwxr-x 2 zfox zfox 4096 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 08:03 .
drwxrwxr-x 6 zfox zfox 4096 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 08:18 ..
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 369762707 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:40 Caravan - Ether Way.flac
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 213436874 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:40 King Crimson - Islands.flac
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 345233967 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:40 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead [Rem 2000].flac
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 280174671 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:40 Pete Sinfield - Still [Rem 2004].flac
zfox@paokfc01:~/temp/1.2.1_rarewares$ cd ../1.3.0
zfox@paokfc01:~/temp/1.3.0$ ls -la
total 1180584
drwxrwxr-x 2 zfox zfox 4096 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 08:17 .
drwxrwxr-x 6 zfox zfox 4096 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 08:18 ..
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 369829421 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:22 Caravan - Ether Way.flac
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 213499535 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:22 King Crimson - Islands.flac
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 345297053 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:22 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead [Rem 2000].flac
-rw------- 1 zfox zfox 280237221 ΞœΞ¬Ο� 5 07:22 Pete Sinfield - Still [Rem 2004].flac

All files were encoded with '-8' compression level and were chosen randomly out of thousands.

This post has been edited by zfox: Mar 5 2013, 07:37

[Kohlrabi]

The >4GB files patch can be found at kode54's FLAC github.