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Has anyone tested SACD vs. CD of same album, e.g. for dynamic range?, [moved from General Music Discussion]
Mikkel
post Mar 4 2013, 17:03
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Hi everyone,

Just registered because I have a pressing question, which I think only can be answered honestly here at hydrogenaudio. I hope you would be so kind as to help me find an answer.

I have been searching for answer on the question i raise in the topic description: has anyone tested the difference of dynamic range between the two versions of the same album?

I read the double-blind test results from THIS thread. But as far as I can see it concerns 44/16 vs 96/24 and not the difference between the same album but in different distributed formats.

From different places I often notice a comment that says high resolution versions often are mastered differently (and better) than the corresponding CD version. These comments are never substantiated with any kind of measure.

I could of course buy a downloadable album and compare it (yet I haven't). Searching for either SACD or 96 at http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ does seem to indicate that SACDs (when it comes to dynamic range) does not necessarily translate to better dynamic range when mastering the album. Heuristically, neither does my own collection of CD-only albums to have worse DR-rating than the SACD albums (I listen only to classical music, which may or may not have a bias towards better DR).

Anyway, this is of course no proof of anything. So therefore my question whether any of you know of places that have actually compared different versions of the same album?


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Mikkel

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Kohlrabi
post Mar 6 2013, 14:47
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The point is that technologically Redbook CD is sufficient, any improved audio quality on SACDs is due to better mastering. So, high-res formats (SACD/DVDA) don't offer any intrinsic improvement, it's just that sometimes you might get a better master than on CD.

Of course, multichannel audio is a big advantage, if you're into that.

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Mikkel
post Mar 6 2013, 17:07
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QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Mar 6 2013, 14:47) *
The point is that technologically Redbook CD is sufficient, any improved audio quality on SACDs is due to better mastering. So, high-res formats (SACD/DVDA) don't offer any intrinsic improvement, it's just that sometimes you might get a better master than on CD.

Of course, multichannel audio is a big advantage, if you're into that.


Exactly, but the question whether they indeed are better mastered remains unanswered.
Yes, multichannel audio is a huge advantage, so that would make a case for multichannel high res audio (although they could as well have saved us the space and made 16/44 multichannel media).


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post Mar 6 2013, 22:32
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QUOTE (Mikkel @ Mar 6 2013, 17:07) *
Exactly, but the question whether they indeed are better mastered remains unanswered.

"better" is a term that means double-blind listening panels instead of simple scripts running on a 1000 albums on a hard-drive.

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post Mar 6 2013, 22:38
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QUOTE (knutinh @ Mar 6 2013, 16:32) *
QUOTE (Mikkel @ Mar 6 2013, 17:07) *
Exactly, but the question whether they indeed are better mastered remains unanswered.

"better" is a term that means double-blind listening panels instead of simple scripts running on a 1000 albums on a hard-drive.

-k


I think in this context, its clear that he meant "better able to use the dynamic range of the format".
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- Mikkel   Has anyone tested SACD vs. CD of same album, e.g. for dynamic range?   Mar 4 2013, 17:03
- - knutinh   I believe there are ample anecdotal evidence of ...   Mar 5 2013, 12:49
- - AndyH-ha   Even if SACD has a greater potential dynamic range...   Mar 5 2013, 21:35
- - Dynamic   I haven't tested myself, but an old thread men...   Mar 6 2013, 03:48
- - saratoga   QUOTE (Mikkel @ Mar 4 2013, 11:03) Search...   Mar 6 2013, 07:10
|- - Mikkel   QUOTE (saratoga @ Mar 6 2013, 07:10) QUOT...   Mar 6 2013, 12:26
- - AliceWonder   I will have to look for it but I read a paper with...   Mar 6 2013, 11:33
- - Mikkel   @ AliceWonder: Thanks for your post. I think the ...   Mar 6 2013, 12:17
- - Kohlrabi   The point is that technologically Redbook CD is su...   Mar 6 2013, 14:47
|- - Mikkel   QUOTE (Kohlrabi @ Mar 6 2013, 14:47) The ...   Mar 6 2013, 17:07
|- - knutinh   QUOTE (Mikkel @ Mar 6 2013, 17:07) Exactl...   Mar 6 2013, 22:32
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (knutinh @ Mar 6 2013, 16:32) QUOTE...   Mar 6 2013, 22:38
- - greynol   In some cases heavily compressed audio mat actuall...   Mar 6 2013, 17:31
|- - Mikkel   QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 6 2013, 17:31) In so...   Mar 7 2013, 08:43
- - db1989   I hope not, seeing as he was replying to a post th...   Mar 6 2013, 22:45
|- - Mikkel   QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 6 2013, 22:45) I hope...   Mar 7 2013, 08:39
|- - knutinh   QUOTE (Mikkel @ Mar 7 2013, 08:39) 2) I l...   Mar 7 2013, 14:03
|- - Mikkel   QUOTE (knutinh @ Mar 7 2013, 14:03) QUOTE...   Mar 7 2013, 14:31
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (knutinh @ Mar 7 2013, 08:03) QUOTE...   Mar 7 2013, 14:50
- - _if   I think you'd have to take it on a case-by-cas...   Mar 8 2013, 23:25


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