An idea of audio encode algorithm, based on maximum allowed volume of , WavPack hybrid mode test included |
An idea of audio encode algorithm, based on maximum allowed volume of , WavPack hybrid mode test included |
Mar 6 2013, 00:11
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Full topic title: "An idea of audio encode algorithm, based on maximum allowed volume of signals difference"
Recently I have discovered for myself, that the difference of the source and encoded audio can be easily obtained by inverting source audio and mixing it with the encoded one. Then the idea of encode algorithm came into my head: just try to keep the signals difference at the same level (or less), defined by user. Thus, the audio quality is simply measured by volume of the difference of the signals, and this difference is nothing but distortions, produced by encoder. The whole algorithm looks like this: 1. Take maximum allowed volume of signals difference from user. 1. Make a copy of source audio and invert it. 2. Split both source and inverted audio on frames of the same size. 3. Encode first frame of source audio, mix the result with first frame of inverted audio and calculate the volume of obtained difference. 4. If the volume of the difference is higher, than allowed by user, add some bitrate and repeat from item no. 3. 5. If the volume of the difference is not higher, than allowed by user, add first encoded frame to the final output. 6. Repeat items 3-5 with second, third, etc... frames, until the end of the source file. Of cause, this algorithm is much slower then just direct encode, but definately if should not be slower, than video encoding (and people are ready to wait for many hours while their videos are being encoded). I tried to reproduce this algorithm manually by test using WavPack hybrid mode as an encoder (source audio sample was splitted on 11 parts of 1 second), and it showed, that 23.4 % of space/bitrate could be saved. Another important thing is that the user is guaranteed, that he will not get distortions with volume level, higher then he expects, so he can safely encode many files simultaneously without looking at the content. User gets freed both from unnecessary waste of bitrate and uncontrolled distortions. The only thing is needed is that some audio developers get interested in this idea and implement it as a computer program. The whole set of files of the WavPack test I've made is here. This post has been edited by softrunner: Mar 6 2013, 00:20 |
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softrunner An idea of audio encode algorithm, based on maximum allowed volume of Mar 6 2013, 00:11
saratoga QUOTE Then the idea of encode algorithm came into ... Mar 6 2013, 00:21
softrunner QUOTE (saratoga @ Mar 6 2013, 03:21) The ... Mar 6 2013, 00:36
saratoga QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 5 2013, 18:36) I... Mar 6 2013, 00:58
greynol None of the lossy codecs commonly discussed on thi... Mar 6 2013, 02:22
DVDdoug softrunner,
If you want to demonstrate to yoursel... Mar 6 2013, 21:01
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 6 2013, 00:11) ju... Mar 6 2013, 21:21
softrunner QUOTE (saratoga @ Mar 6 2013, 03:21) The ... Mar 7 2013, 16:59
2Bdecided QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 7 2013, 15:59) We... Mar 7 2013, 17:14
greynol LossyWAV is commonly discussed here and I lamented... Mar 7 2013, 18:05

saratoga QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 7 2013, 12:05) Lossy... Mar 7 2013, 20:25
db1989 QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 7 2013, 15:59) We... Mar 7 2013, 18:51

Canar QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 7 2013, 15:59) We... Mar 7 2013, 20:20
Nessuno QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 7 2013, 16:59) Bu... Mar 7 2013, 20:54
C.R.Helmrich Indeed. Softrunner, if you want mathematical close... Mar 7 2013, 22:51
greynol @Canar:
Please show me a lossy algorithm with no ... Mar 7 2013, 20:29
Canar QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 7 2013, 11:29) Pleas... Mar 7 2013, 20:32
softrunner QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 7 2013, 20:14) You... Mar 9 2013, 03:09
saratoga QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 8 2013, 21:09) QU... Mar 9 2013, 04:00
greynol QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 8 2013, 18:09) Th... Mar 9 2013, 08:31
Nessuno softrunner, you evidently lack the theorical bases... Mar 9 2013, 10:15
db1989 In support of Nessuno’s conclusions, as well as th... Mar 9 2013, 11:53

greynol QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 9 2013, 02:53) * And ... Mar 9 2013, 17:55
2Bdecided QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 9 2013, 02:09) Th... Mar 12 2013, 10:47

Dynamic Lossless is the only true guarantee.
LossyWAV... Mar 12 2013, 12:42
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 9 2013, 03:09) QU... Mar 12 2013, 21:46
Gecko On a very basic level, lossy encoders have a mecha... Mar 9 2013, 12:06
greynol So WavPack does have a psychoacoustic model? Mar 9 2013, 17:46
Gecko QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 9 2013, 17:46) So Wa... Mar 10 2013, 17:10
greynol If you know then say. Mar 10 2013, 17:50
Gecko Well, since Wavpack lossy doesn't just discard... Mar 10 2013, 19:16
greynol Sorry, but that really doesn't cut it.
Could ... Mar 10 2013, 19:31
Gecko In that case, maybe I need to revise my definition... Mar 11 2013, 18:49
pdq Can you play the correction file to a Wavpack loss... Mar 11 2013, 19:25
Gecko I tried the old inversion trick on a drum & ba... Mar 11 2013, 20:02
bryant QUOTE (Gecko @ Mar 11 2013, 11:02) I trie... Mar 28 2013, 04:59
db1989 Premises:
(1) If a residual signal created by mixi... Mar 11 2013, 20:21
greynol For the record, I'm not in any position to def... Mar 11 2013, 20:56
Nessuno QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 11 2013, 20:56) At a... Mar 11 2013, 21:57
softrunner QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 12 2013, 13:47) QU... Mar 22 2013, 03:16
saratoga QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 21 2013, 21:16) Q... Mar 22 2013, 03:24
Gecko QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 22 2013, 03:16) B... Mar 22 2013, 08:48
db1989 QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 22 2013, 02:16) Q... Mar 22 2013, 11:51

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2Bdecided QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 22 2013, 02:16) I... Mar 22 2013, 14:43
jmvalin Hey everyone, I just had this great idea that shou... Mar 22 2013, 07:41
2Bdecided Sorry db1989, I'm not trying to personally att... Mar 22 2013, 16:37
db1989 QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 22 2013, 15:37) So... Mar 22 2013, 18:24
Nessuno QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 22 2013, 16:37) Le... Mar 23 2013, 11:00
2Bdecided QUOTE (Nessuno @ Mar 23 2013, 10:00) QUOT... Mar 28 2013, 10:34
db1989 QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 28 2013, 09:34) If... Mar 28 2013, 13:41

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db1989 QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 28 2013, 16:30) Ah... Mar 28 2013, 17:38

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db1989 QUOTE (DonP @ Mar 28 2013, 16:45) First, ... Mar 28 2013, 17:50

Nessuno QUOTE (db1989 @ Mar 28 2013, 17:50) QUOTE... Mar 28 2013, 22:29
jmvalin QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 28 2013, 05:34) It... Mar 28 2013, 19:42
2Bdecided RE: An idea of audio encode algorithm, based on maximum allowed volume of Mar 22 2013, 18:49
softrunner QUOTE (saratoga @ Mar 22 2013, 06:24) QUO... Mar 25 2013, 03:10
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Gecko QUOTE (softrunner @ Mar 25 2013, 03:10) N... Mar 25 2013, 18:22
greynol Thanks for chiming-in, David! Mar 28 2013, 07:20
2Bdecided I think he implied a noise floor relative to peak ... Mar 28 2013, 21:19
jmvalin QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 28 2013, 16:19) I ... Mar 28 2013, 21:49
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