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rpop27
Since there are so many Pink Floyd connoisseurs on this forum, I thought I'd ask for some help. Is there any version of Money sung by Roger Waters? I found a demo version, but it's short and rather bad in quality.
Xenion
here: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000...0910584-9180060

but this an live album which was not recorded within the dsotm sessions... (2000 waters solo, i think)
rpop27
I own it, but it's not Roger singing, it's one of his collaborators (I'd write the exact name but I can't find the case).
rjamorim
Hehe. I have that CD, and I was at the show. :B


Personally, I prefer Gilmour singing Money. Actually, I like his voice overall over Roger's (probably one of the reasons my all-time Floyd favourite is the CD version of Wish You Were Here)
Xenion
QUOTE(rpop27 @ Jul 9 2003, 05:49 AM)
I own it, but it's not Roger singing, it's one of his collaborators (I'd write the exact name but I can't find the case).

oh ok sry i didn't know that. i don't own any waters solo albums except final cut on vinyl
rpop27
QUOTE
I was at the show.


How I wish I could say that.

I prefer Gilmour's voice too on the normal version, but the demo version I have of the song is a lot slower paced, and Roger's voice suits it much better (it sounds almost comical).
gib
I too was at that show. Great stuff.
marcan
QUOTE(Xenion @ Jul 8 2003, 08:52 PM)
oh ok sry i didn't know that. i don't own any waters solo albums except final cut on vinyl

"Final cut" is a PF album.

"Amused to death" is from Roger Waters. The sound of the CD is huge. For me, this is the best CD in terms of sound quality.
Cygnus X1
QUOTE(marcan @ Jul 9 2003, 12:46 AM)
"Final cut" is a PF album.


That can be debated tongue.gif Not only was it obvious by then that Roger had taken complete control of the band, but even the back sleeve states "a requiem for the post war dream by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd".

I own every single Pink Floyd recording, and that would have to be my least favorite. Wonder which one mine is ? smile.gif
rjamorim
QUOTE(Cygnus X1 @ Jul 9 2003, 02:51 AM)
That can be debated  tongue.gif Not only was it obvious by then that Roger had taken complete control of the band, but even the back sleeve states "a requiem for the post war dream by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd".

I agree. Even though it's touted as a "Pink Floyd" album, is sounds more like Waters' solo stuff.

Waters composed everything, what makes me miss Gilmour's brilliant and very elegant guitar melodies. (The ones you see in Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Comfortably Numb and most of The Division Bell tunes)

Heck, even the sleeve wasn't done by Storm. (What proves that Waters sucks at design, specially when you consider his solo sleeves.


BTW: Amused to Death was mixed in QSound. And I don't find that very pleasing. It sounds cool if you are exactly in the right position, but not as cool if you are not.

QUOTE
I own every single Pink Floyd recording, and that would have to be my least favorite. Wonder which one mine is ?  smile.gif


You are an illuminated person, Angelo. Congrats for your tastes. biggrin.gif
rpop27
I agree too, but I still find it enjoyable, especially The Post War Dream.

Here's an idea: how about a separate Pink Floyd forum, since there seem to be so many post about them anyway? I could start about 10 threads myself, but I haven't done so yet because it would probably annoy a lot of people to see the General forum transformed into a Pink Floyd discussion group.
rjamorim
Post about Floyd at off topic. I'll be more than happy to participate in these discussions. smile.gif
Xenno
...and the Final Cut is the demarkation point for me. Roger's music became too political, too heavy, and most of all...less musical...kind of like he's narrating rather than singing. The crux is...he can sing well enough when he wants to (witness Floyd). Wish He Was Here so I could ask him to return to more melodic material.

Listening to: 'Granchester Meadows' from 'Ummagumma' by 'Pink Floyd' on Media Jukebox

xen-uno
Xenion
QUOTE(marcan @ Jul 9 2003, 06:46 AM)
"Final cut" is a PF album.

the only thing thats really pink floyd about this album is the name pink floyd.
i just sounds too much like a waters solo album for beeing a real pink floyd record.

division bell sounds more like a pf album than final cut. but division bell is more artrock than progressive rock. it's just nice to listen to but nothing really new. anyway high hopes is one of the best (edit: maybe not best but "my favourite") track(s) that ever came out under the bandname pink floyd. (nomatter if it is now a gilmour or a waters solo album in reality)
rjamorim
Xenion and Xenno. Hehe. biggrin.gif

I agree, High Hopes is my favourite post-Waters track. I can never get tired of it.

The video clip also rocks.

You can get it (officially, from the band's official site) here (31.7Mb)

Really worth taking a look at, IMO.
Xenion
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Jul 9 2003, 08:13 AM)
Xenion and Xenno. Hehe. biggrin.gif

I agree, High Hopes is my favourite post-Waters track. I can never get tired of it.

The video clip also rocks.

You can get it (officially, from the band's official site) here (31.7Mb)

Really worth taking a look at, IMO.

jippie! biggrin.gif i didn't know that. i only knew the video from crappy 30kb realplayer streams from some other websites. and when this video was on mtv back in '94 I was probably playing with ghostbusters toys or something B)

i love the picture of the 3 flags in the video. i wish i'd have it on a giant poster
rjamorim
QUOTE(Xenion @ Jul 9 2003, 04:20 AM)
jippie!  biggrin.gif i didn't know that. i only knew the video from crappy 30kb realplayer streams from some other websites. and when this video was on mtv back in '94 I was probably playing with ghostbusters toys or something  B)

You can find several other jewels there.

Go to http://www.pinkfloyd.co.uk/echoes/index.html
Select broadband, than any track from the boxes that appear and disappear.

In the 9 boxes that appear, check the upper middle. If it appears the word "video" when you pass your mouse over it, it means there's a quicktime video there you can watch. (and save if you do it the right way)

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i love the picture of the 3 flags in the video. i wish i'd have it on a giant poster


Yeah, it's indeed great:
user posted image

I also wish I had that on poster. Instead, I have these:
http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchan...2305169-8624149
http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchan...2305169-8624149

And I want to get this:
http://www.allposters.com/GetPoster.asp?CI...3&catupdate=get

wink.gif
Xenion
wow thanks, rjamorim!

i have this poster in giant version
look at the paintings, not at the asses tongue.gif biggrin.gif
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/149/3060.jpg

the dsotm remastered poster is indeed very nice. but still doesn't beat the 3 flags. i guess it's not available on poster
rjamorim
QUOTE(Xenion @ Jul 9 2003, 04:56 AM)
wow thanks, rjamorim!

i have this poster in giant version
look at the paintings, not at the asses  tongue.gif  biggrin.gif
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/149/3060.jpg

the dsotm remastered poster is indeed very nice. but still doesn't beat the 3 flags. i guess it's not available on poster

Haha! The famous "back catalogue" picture. (that picture was also intended as a pun, according to Storm)

I want that one too. biggrin.gif
evereux
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Jul 9 2003, 05:56 AM)
BTW: Amused to Death was mixed in QSound. And I don't find that very pleasing. It sounds cool if you are exactly in the right position, but not as cool if you are not.

Not only do I think that album sounds great, one of my favourites in regards to sound quality, I also think that album is better than anything under the Floyd name.

This maybe due to the fact that I've listen to the Floyd albums soo many times. smile.gif
rjamorim
QUOTE(evereux @ Jul 9 2003, 06:19 AM)
Not only do I think that album sounds great, one of my favourites in regards to sound quality, I also think that album is better than anything under the Floyd name.

This maybe due to the fact that I've listen to the Floyd albums soo many times. smile.gif

Heh, I abhor most things Waters did alone. (That didn't prevent me from buying all his CDs, of course)

IMO, he's a hell of a great lyrics composer. But Floyd's melodic driving force was surely David - he has a great melodic sense. Besides, IMO his voice is much better. wink.gif

That said, I agree Amused to Death is the best album Waters did alone. Still, IMO it's light years away from gems like Wish You Were Here, The Dark Side of The Moon, Meddle, The Wall...
Cygnus X1
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Jul 9 2003, 10:59 AM)
Heh, I abhor most things Waters did alone. (That didn't prevent me from buying all his CDs, of course)

IMO, he's a hell of a great lyrics composer. But Floyd's melodic driving force was surely David - he has a great melodic sense. Besides, IMO his voice is much better. wink.gif


Amen, brother.

Roger Waters even looks scary laugh.gif
ScorLibran
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Jul 9 2003, 01:56 AM)
QUOTE(Cygnus X1 @ Jul 9 2003, 02:51 AM)
That can be debated  tongue.gif Not only was it obvious by then that Roger had taken complete control of the band, but even the back sleeve states "a requiem for the post war dream by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd".

I agree. Even though it's touted as a "Pink Floyd" album, is sounds more like Waters' solo stuff.

Waters composed everything, what makes me miss Gilmour's brilliant and very elegant guitar melodies. (The ones you see in Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Comfortably Numb and most of The Division Bell tunes)

Aha! So that's why I'm not crazy about Final Cut! I've been a Pink Floyd fan for twenty years now, and I've got (I think) just over half of their albums, with FC being probably my least favorite (but hey, *bad* Floyd is better than *good* anything else, right?) I've never really been a fan of Roger Waters, though. To me, Gilmour has always been the "front of Floyd".

On a side note, could some of you perhaps help me with filling in what I need for completing my collection? I'd like to have at least all the studio recordings, and I don't need remasters necessarily.

Here's what I have so far (in no particular order)...

- Dark Side of the Moon
- Animals --- (my very favorite album, with my favorite PF song undoubtedly being "Dogs"...the best 17 minutes and 6 seconds in the world of music, IMHO...more for Gilmour's guitar than Water's voice, though)
- The Wall
- Momentary Lapse of Reason
- The Division Bell
- Wish You Were Here
- Relics
- Atom Heart Mother
- Final Cut
- Meddle -- (my second favorite album overall..."Echoes" is a masterpiece)
- Echoes: The Best of Pink Floyd --- (Mainly for the essential song missing from "The Wall" CD which was my favorite in the movie..."When the Tigers Broke Free")

And here's what I know I need:

- Ummagumma --- (recommended to me by many people, so likely my next purchase)
- The Delicate Sound of Thunder
- A Collection of Great Dance Songs
- Obscured by Clouds
- Works
- More
- A Saucerful of Secrets
- The Piper at the Gates of Dawn --- (looked at this one maybe ten times so far in music stores...don't know why I haven't bought it yet)
- Pulse --- (but not really if there are no new tracks on it)

So, what is this list missing?

TIA for any help!


You have to be trusted
by the people that you lie to
so that when they turn their backs on you
you'll get the chance to put the knife in...
Geezer
Hmm, I'll might get some of the favourites on CD.
I have all Pink Floyd albums up to final cut on LP. smile.gif
rjamorim
QUOTE(ScorLibran @ Jul 9 2003, 05:51 PM)
So, what is this list missing?

Everything is already there, except "Is There Anybody Out There? - The Wall Live 1980-81"

I would only take out Works and A Collection of Great Dance Songs, since there's no new matherial in them.

Pulse has no new matherial either, but IMO it's worth it for the live version of Learning to Fly alone. Of course, the other songs make it very worth, including the entire performance of The Dark Side of The Moon in CD2

Buy Ummagumma only if you like highly experimental stuff. It's the height of their "transition phase" from Psychedelic Rock to Progressive Rock.

Regards;

Roberto.
JensRex
Here's a poster I have:

user posted image

I don't have it up at the moment. Moved in january and I haven't been arsed to put it up yet smile.gif.

It's a bit old and torn. I should get a proper frame for it. I think this picture is excellent, and the colors are beautiful. I really like the way it's painted.
ScorLibran
I've got the same poster!!! The image of the marching hammers has always been one of my favorite from that movie.

How big is your poster? An ex-neighbor gave me mine as a gift about 4 or 5 years ago. It's huge, some 3-1/2 by 5 feet.

I don't have a frame for mine, either, but I'm getting one once I get moved also. It's well taken care of, though.

Perfect match for this T-shirt I got a while back...

user posted image
Xenion
the pink floyd stuff i have (CDs only):

Dark Side Of The Moon
Dark Side Of The Moon SaCD
Wish You Were Here (Limited 25th Edition)
Atom Heart Mother
Ummagumma (Studio+Live Album)
Pulse
Division Bell
Echoes
The Wall
Animals
The Wall Live 80/81 - Is There Anybody Out There (Limited Edition)
Wish You Were Here (Single from Pulse)

Shine On Box:
A Saucerful Of Secrets
Meddle
Dark Side Of The Moon
Wish You Were Here
Animals
The Wall
A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
The Early Singles

does anybody else here have the shine on box ? (roberto?)
ScorLibran
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Jul 9 2003, 05:47 PM)
QUOTE(ScorLibran @ Jul 9 2003, 05:51 PM)
So, what is this list missing?

Everything is already there, except "Is There Anybody Out There? - The Wall Live 1980-81"

I would only take out Works and A Collection of Great Dance Songs, since there's no new matherial in them.

Pulse has no new matherial either, but IMO it's worth it for the live version of Learning to Fly alone. Of course, the other songs make it very worth, including the entire performance of The Dark Side of The Moon in CD2

Buy Ummagumma only if you like highly experimental stuff. It's the height of their "transition phase" from Psychedelic Rock to Progressive Rock.

Regards;

Roberto.

Perfect...thanks!

Works and Collection will probably come last for me, and the others sooner. I will want Ummagumma though...the more experimental the better...and the crossover from the Atom Heart Mother and Piper at the Gates-era into the Meddle and Dark Side-era has got to make for a great album. Was Syd Barrett still alive for this one?

Forgot about "Is There Anybody Out There"...remember hearing good things about it though, so I'll probably get it right after Ummagumma (or at the same time). Pulse will be a worthy purchase, too, but probably after the others.

Also forgot about the Shine On box set that Xenion noted...but since it's basically a set of other released CDs of theirs, most of which I already have, I'll have to think about it. The best parts would be the "Early Singles" disc and the book that's included.
rjamorim
QUOTE(Xenion @ Jul 9 2003, 08:56 PM)
does anybody else here have the shine on box ? (roberto?)

Of course I do! :B

BTW, as I mentioned somewhere else, Shine On is my most prized posession.

Here is the list of Albums I got:

The Early Singles
The Piper at The Gates of Dawn
A Saucerful of Secrets
Soundtrack from the film More...
UmmaGumma
Atom Heart Mother
Meddle
Relics
Obscured By Clouds
The Dark Side of The Moon
Wish You Were Here <- my favorite
Animals
The Wall
A Collection of Great Dance Songs
The Final Cut
Works
A Momentary Lapse of Reason
Delicate Sound of Thunder
The Division Bell
P.U.L.S.E
Is There Anybody Out There? - The Wall Live 1980-81
Echoes - The Best of Pink Floyd
The Dark Side of The Moon 30 years commemorative SACD version

Roger Waters solo:
The Pros And Cons Of Hitchhiking
Radio K.A.O.S.
Amused to Death
In The Flesh
Flickering Flame

David Gilmour solo:
David Gilmour
About Face

Richard Wright solo:
Wet Dream
Broken China

Nick Mason solo:
Fictitious Sports (With Carla Bley)

Syd Barret solo:
The Madcap Laughs
Wouldn't You miss Me? - the best of Syd Barrett
rjamorim
QUOTE(ScorLibran @ Jul 9 2003, 09:17 PM)
Was Syd Barrett still alive for this one?

Heh, Syd is still alive today!

But if your question was if wether if he participated in Ummagumma, the answer is no. At that time, Gilmour was helping him put out The Madcap Laughs.

The last Floyd album with Syd participation is A Saucerful of Secrets

QUOTE
Also forgot about the Shine On box set that Xenion noted...but since it's basically a set of other released CDs of theirs, most of which I already have, I'll have to think about it.  The best parts would be the "Early Singles" disc and the book that's included.


The book is wonderful!

But the box cover is, IMO, the best sleeve image Storm ever did.
http://pessoal.onda.com.br/rjamorim/ShineOn.jpg

Kind regards;

Roberto.
ScorLibran
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Jul 9 2003, 09:25 PM)
Heh, Syd is still alive today!

But if your question was if wether if he participated in Ummagumma, the answer is no. At that time, Gilmour was helping him put out The Madcap Laughs.

The last Floyd album with Syd participation is A Saucerful of Secrets

OOPS! When I was quickly switching web pages, I glimpsed this on AllMusic.com's site...

"Like a supernova, Roger "Syd" Barrett burned briefly and brightly,..."

I thought they were implying he had passed away. Glad to hear I was wrong!

QUOTE
The book is wonderful!

But the box cover is, IMO, the best sleeve image Storm ever did.
http://pessoal.onda.com.br/rjamorim/ShineOn.jpg


OK, so in addition to the book and "The Early Singles", now I definitely have to buy it for the cover as well!

Thanks!
rpop
I figured it out, the guy signing Money on In The Flesh is Doyle Bramhall II.

I agree that Wish You Were Here and Animals are excellent albums, but I can't say either is my favorite because they both have only 4 songs (IMO), 2 of which are mediocre.

Waters is indeed a great lyricist, and unfortunately that's a very evident on the last 2 PF albums. I don't pay attention to lyrics too much, but if I hear a stupid sounding lyric it really bugs me, such as "in a world of magnets and miracles" in High Hopes. However, for what they lack in lyrics those albums make up in Gilmour's guitar playing. I don't suppose songs like Sorrow and Coming Back To Life would've made the final track list if Waters had still been around.

Overall I like Roger's stuff best, partly because it's more mellow and relaxing, and partly because I've listened to post-Waters PF so long that I'm sick of it (if such a thing is possible). However, I don't like Roger's renditions of some PF songs. Shine On You Crazy Diamond & Wish You Were Here from In The Flesh sound pathetic compared to their respective versions on P.U.L.S.E., and having one of his cronies replace Gilmour on Dogs makes it sound even worse.


@rjamorim

ohmy.gif That is a very impressive collection; definitely money well spent! biggrin.gif

I have close to half of your collection (and only one you don't, London '66-'67), perhaps you could give me your opinion on some of the albums so I know what to purchase next.

How do Gilmour's solo albums compare to post-Waters PF? Do Wright's solo albums sound similar to Wearing The Inside Out? Is the soundtrack to More good? What does Mason's solo sound like?

I've already read reviews of these on amazon and allmusic, but I don't trust their customers and reviewers too much since they've misled me in the past.

A couple more questions for everyone:

Does anyone have the David Gilmour In Concert DVD? Is it similar to the In The Flesh DVD (if you have it)?

A friend of mine told me What Shall We Do Now? was excluded from The Wall because there wasn't room for it? Is this true? Is this also why When The Tigers Broke Free isn't on there? And in between what songs is When The Tigers broke free inserted in The Wall movie?

Is the studio version of What Shall We Do Now? available anywhere on CD? (I already have it on The Wall - Live).

I understand the Early Singles aren't available anywhere else except as part of Shine On?

I saw an ad in a magazine for The Wall - Live In Berlin saying it will be remastered and released on DVD and SACD. I've found the DVD and CD versions at amazon, but has anyone seen the SACD?

Thanks everyone!

Edit: Changed Doyle Bramhall 2's name to look more like a name and less like a version.
Xenion
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Jul 10 2003, 02:25 AM)
But the box cover is, IMO, the best sleeve image Storm ever did.
http://pessoal.onda.com.br/rjamorim/ShineOn.jpg

here's mine biggrin.gif
ScorLibran
QUOTE(rpop @ Jul 10 2003, 01:21 AM)
And in between what songs is When The Tigers broke free inserted in The Wall movie?

"When the Tigers Broke Free" is the first song in the movie (excluding the background accordian track playing quietly while the lady vacuums the hall). But only the first half of it is played.

It's followed by "In the Flesh?", "The Thin Ice", "Mother" and "Another Brick in the Wall, Pt 1".

After those tracks, the rest of "When the Tigers Broke Free" is played (when young Pink comes home and find the pictures and bullets in the chest of drawers).

Then, it's "Goodbye Blue Sky", etc...

...Watching/listening to "The Wall" in a window on my PC while I rip, encode, set gain, surf the net and work. The train just ran over the bullet, and "The Happiest Days of Our Lives" is just starting... wink.gif
rjamorim
[quote=rpop,Jul 10 2003, 02:21 AM] @rjamorim

ohmy.gif That is a very impressive collection; definitely money well spent! biggrin.gif [/quote]
Thanks smile.gif

[quote]How do Gilmour's solo albums compare to post-Waters PF?[/quote]

David very consciously strives to make music that sounds different from "Floydian". When he did a solo album that was floydian, he came up with A Momentary Lapse of Reason. wink.gif

About that, here's an interesting interview excerpt from the Shine On book:
Musician: "Aside from the name Pink Floyd and the business considerations, 'Momentary' was a David Gilmour solo album"
Gilmour: "Well, I don't know what is a solo album and what isn't, really. I approached that album like I would have approached a Pink Floyd album and I approach a solo album as I would apoproach a solo album."

[quote]Do Wright's solo albums sound similar to Wearing The Inside Out?[/quote]

Well, there are some tunes in them that remind it, but he focus more on calmer, more "joyful" tunes (not ridiculously joyful, but less gloomy than Wearing), on Wet Dream.

On Broken China he plays a little with electronic music.

Both albums are very good, IMO.

[quote]Is the soundtrack to More good?[/quote]

It's... experimental. wink.gif

[quote]What does Mason's solo sound like?[/quote]

Jazz. :-P

[quote]Does anyone have the David Gilmour In Concert DVD?[/quote]

Guess who does? biggrin.gif

I also have P.U.L.S.E VHS, The Wall movie, The Wall show, Live at Pompeii, A Delicate Sound of Thunder video and several video clips.

[quote]Is it similar to the In The Flesh DVD (if you have it)?[/quote]

Definitely not. DG In concert is almost acoustic Floyd, with very few eyecandy and light effects (not as you would expect from a Floyd show)

[quote]A friend of mine told me What Shall We Do Now? was excluded from The Wall because there wasn't room for it? Is this true?[/quote]

Probably is. The Wall is already huge and takes 2 CDs in their entirety.

[quote]Is this also why When The Tigers Broke Free isn't on there?[/quote]

Maybe. Ask Roger. :B

[quote]Is the studio version of What Shall We Do Now? available anywhere on CD? (I already have it on The Wall - Live).[/quote]

I don't think so.

[quote]I understand the Early Singles aren't available anywhere else except as part of Shine On?[/quote]

Right.

[quote]I saw an ad in a magazine for The Wall - Live In Berlin saying it will be remastered and released on DVD and SACD. I've found the DVD and CD versions at amazon, but has anyone seen the SACD?[/quote]

I don't care. I hate that show. Cindy Lauper singing Another Brick in The Wall pt. II? Sinead o'Connor singing Mother? Gimme a break.

Regards;

Me.
rjamorim
QUOTE(ScorLibran @ Jul 10 2003, 01:10 AM)
OOPS!  When I was quickly switching web pages, I glimpsed this on AllMusic.com's site...

"Like a supernova, Roger "Syd" Barrett burned briefly and brightly,..."

I thought they were implying he had passed away.  Glad to hear I was wrong!

Well, he is alive, but his brain is completely destroyed by the LSD. A shame.

QUOTE
OK, so in addition to the book and "The Early Singles", now I definitely have to buy it for the cover as well!


Be prepared to spend a big wad of cash on it. biggrin.gif

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00...2305169-8624149

(Not that I ever repented for buying it)
Volcano
QUOTE
rpop wrote:
How do Gilmour's solo albums compare to post-Waters PF?


They're very different from post-Waters Floyd IMHO. Gilmour's first (self-titled) album (1978) is comparable to Floyd material of that time (not "his" Floyd), but his second, About Face (1984), is very different from anything Pink Floyd ever released.

The first is definitely 100% progressive rock (there's a great review of it here - the whole site is extremely good**), About Face is a combination of various styles. It's a perfect mixture of slightly heavier guitar work ("All Lovers Are Deranged", "Murder" and "Until We Sleep", the latter being the best IMHO), dramatic orchestral sequences ("Let's Get Metaphysical", "You Know I'm Right"), and mainstream-like stuff ("Love On The Air"). There's even a track on it which sounds more like Funk than anything else ("Blue Light"), it very much reminds me of Kool & The Gang.

Especially the orchestral arrangements are just fantastic, and the production is extremely good. The only thing I miss on this album are, quite ironically, really memorable guitar solos like that of "Comfortably Numb" (my *very* favourite PF track) - the leadout on the last track, "Near The End", stands out, but it's too short and just lacks "something" to come close.

My favourite tracks would probably be "Out Of The Blue" and "Until We Sleep", but the others are just marginally less good (apart from "Cruise" and "All Lovers Are Deranged" which kinda bug me). It's a great album and definitely worth having.


QUOTE
rpop wrote:
Do Wright's solo albums sound similar to Wearing The Inside Out?


I only have Broken China, so I can only comment on that. I'd say the album is not as straight-forward as "Wearing The Inside Out" or any Floyd album/track - there are only a few tracks that actually sound like "normal" songs (i.e., with a full arrangement), the rest is either instrumental (of which "Sweet July" is definitely the best - Dominic Miller's guitar work is outstanding), or sort of "experimental" stuff. Broken China isn't a bad album.



I've got to say one thing. Why the hell is everybody talking about P.U.L.S.E instead of Delicate Sound Of Thunder?! DSoT is SO MUCH better IMHO, both for the performances per se and the sound. Playing stuff off the original masters as they did on P.U.L.S.E is just not what a Live performance is about - the goal is not to sound as close to the original as possible, if that were the case, they could just play the original albums and pretend they're playing instruments. Apart from that, the performances (most of all, Gilmour's vocals) are just poor as far as I'm concerned. (And about "Learning To Fly" - I know I've said this a thousand times, Roberto wink.gif - I think it's dreadful on P.U.L.S.E. The background vocals on the chorus are totally f*cked, the background vocalists are shouting in loud, short blasts more than singing, and the interlude sounds like crap to me, it's just totally over the top; the guitar leadout is also horrible. The DSoT version is much better *IMHO*.)

So, ScorLibran, I personally would strongly advise you to buy Delicate Sound Of Thunder before you touch P.U.L.S.E. smile.gif

Man, this subject could be discussed endlessly. biggrin.gif

CU

Dominic

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** = Hmm, the main site states that it's no longer in operation and provides a URL to a new site, but the reviews don't appear there. They're still up on the old one, it's just that the contents table is missing. I'd better save them all offline before they get deleted...
ScorLibran
QUOTE(Volcano @ Jul 10 2003, 01:39 PM)
So, ScorLibran, I personally would strongly advise you to buy Delicate Sound Of Thunder before you touch P.U.L.S.E. smile.gif

Thanks for the advice! Based on everyone's opinions, here's the current plan for completing my collection, in order:

-1- Shine On
-2- Ummagumma
-3- Delicate Sound of Thunder
-4- The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
-5- A Saucerful of Secrets
-6- Obscured By Clouds
-7- More (Soundtrack)
-8- P.U.L.S.E.
-9- The Wall, Live 80-81, "Is There Anybody Out There?"
-10- Works
-11- A Collection of Great Dance Songs

Then the solo works, then maybe remasters/re-releases. Have to say, I'm in awe of Roberto's collection. wink.gif I'd be proud to have anything close...

Thanks for everybody's input! ...though I invaded rpop27's thread for it smile.gif

Having a plan beats just randomly buying the first thing I see in a store.
rpop
@rjamorim

You didn't mention the videos in your collection, so I didn't know you had them (I suspected it though, since you're a big fan) smile.gif

That makes your collection even bigger and more impressive than before! ohmy.gif

Thanks for your opinion, along with Volcano's; I will definitely make Gilmour's solo albums (and DVD) my next purchase, and probably follow with Wright's. biggrin.gif

I haven't heard The Wall - Live In Berlin, but I generally like concerts so I was thinking of buying it, although I think I'll try to preview it somewhere first, now that you told me about some of the guest singers. I can't imagine Sinead O'Connor singing, "mother will they try to break my balls?" blink.gif

About the In The Flesh tour; did you by chance attend one of the dates where Nick showed up? huh.gif

@Volcano
Thanks for your detailed review of the solos; I really look forward to hearing some of the songs based on your comments.

However, I disagree with you about Delicate Sound of Thunder being better than P.U.L.S.E. The only thing about it I like more is it has more songs from A Momentary Lapse of Reason. P.U.L.S.E only has 2, and I got sick of Sorrow pretty quickly sad.gif. As for Learning To Fly, they sound pretty similar IMO but I definitely prefer the version on P.U.L.S.E more. As Roberto said, the CD is worth buying for that song alone. Also, some of the other songs (Time, Another Brick In The Wall Part 2) weren't performed on DSoT as well as they were on P.U.L.S.E (IMO).

@ScorLibran

So, ScorLibran, I personally would strongly advise you to buy P.U.L.S.E before DSoT, unless you really really like A Momentary Lapse of Reason.

Btw, thanks for answering my questions, and glad to see you like Dogs too, as I've been listening to it a lot lately for some reason.

And also, I'm glad you invaded my thread. My original question has already been answered, so it's better to keep all the Pink Floyd questions in this thread even if it doesn't necessarily relate to the thread's title. (Can you imagine what it would've looked like if I had started a thread for each one of my questions?)

Another thing:
IMO, the live performances always outdo the albums. I used to listen to Dark Side of the Moon all the time, but after listening to it on P.U.L.S.E I couldn't go back to listening to the original. The same thing goes for some of the songs on Is There Anybody Out There? (there isn't that much of a difference there), and especially Astronomy Domine and Run Like Hell from P.U.L.S.E. Those last two are the definitive versions in my opinion.


My favorite PF (including PF related) track is the previously mentioned version of Run Like Hell, with Money and Perfect Sense being close seconds.
Volcano
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Also, some of the other songs (Time, Another Brick In The Wall Part 2) weren't performed on DSoT as well as they were on P.U.L.S.E (IMO).


Well, I agree with you about Another Brick In The Wall Part 2 - the performance on DSoT really isn't good. But Time... it just makes me shake my head to hear them play the clock sounds at the beginning off the original recordings (as they do on various other tracks, too - I'm listening to "Speak To Me" this very moment, and I find it pathetic). It's just not necessary. If the whole album were performed like "Breathe" which does actually contain some good, but not too extreme variations, I'd like it much better.

Anyway, it makes no sense to argue about subjective matters like this. Let's just agree to disagree. smile.gif
rpop
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Anyway, it makes no sense to argue about subjective matters like this. Let's just agree to disagree. smile.gif


You said it. I wasn't really trying to argue, I was just offering the opposite viewpoint so he has both opinions to consider. Overall, I'd recommend getting both of them to anyone, and it really doesn't matter which one you get first.
user
I highly recommend Wish you were here album as 5.1 dts CD.

hmm, I should have a look, whether they made more true 5.1 albums.
well, probably they are after money, and produce 5.1 only on DVD...

hmm, are any recommended DVDs published yet ?
rpop
Do you know where it's available user?
user
http://store.dtsonline.com/?il=1

http://music.wywh.com/PinkFloyd.html

http://music.wywh.com/DTSTradeList.html

interesting link.


at my home, that dts cd wish you were, is available smile.gif


Some time ago, at www.dts-tech.com , or so, that official dts webpage, there was a list of all official CDDA's with 5.1 dts waves on it.

hmm, cannot find that list now there, grrr.


hmm, I got mine dts cd collection from ebay and friends.
and the Sheryl Crow dts CD "Globe Sessions", I imported by amazon USA to Germany myself, quite expensive..
robert
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Jul 9 2003, 11:47 PM)
QUOTE(ScorLibran @ Jul 9 2003, 05:51 PM)
So, what is this list missing?

Everything is already there, except "Is There Anybody Out There? - The Wall Live 1980-81"

I would only take out Works and A Collection of Great Dance Songs, since there's no new matherial in them.

Pulse has no new matherial either, but IMO it's worth it for the live version of Learning to Fly alone. Of course, the other songs make it very worth, including the entire performance of The Dark Side of The Moon in CD2

Buy Ummagumma only if you like highly experimental stuff. It's the height of their "transition phase" from Psychedelic Rock to Progressive Rock.

Regards;

Roberto.

Works:
it contains "Embryo" a Waters composition from 1970
some different mixes, especially "Brain Damage" and "Eclipse" where taken from quadrophonic masters

A Collection of Great Dance Songs:
"Money" re-recorded by Dave Gilmour, due to a change of record company after DSotM
"Shine on you Crazy Diamond" edited version, resembling the original version as first performed in 1974
"Another Brick in the wall, part 2" with the single version intro and album cut's ending
robert
QUOTE(rpop27 @ Jul 9 2003, 06:42 AM)
Since there are so many Pink Floyd connoisseurs on this forum, I thought I'd ask for some help. Is there any version of Money sung by Roger Waters? I found a demo version, but it's short and rather bad in quality.

are you sure it's Roger singing?

you may take a look at
Roger Waters - The Tide is Turning (EMI CDEM 37)

it contains a pseudo live version of Money performed by Roger Waters and The Bleeding Heart Band. Guest vocalist is Paul Carrack.
robert
a useful book:

The complete guide to the music of Pink Floyd
by Andy Mabbett

ISBN 0-7119-4301-X
dreamliner77
1) Does anybody have the soundtrack to Zabriske Point? It's the only Floydian thing I don't have and have never heard?

2) What Shall We Do Now? was origianlly part of Empty Spaces on the Wall Album. It was removed at the last minute because of the space constraints on vinyl at the time. It is also interesting to note that on the original vinyl cover, it is still in the track listing and some songs are out of order in the track listing due to last minute changes.

3) When The Tigers Broke Free was recorded after The Wall album was released. It was recorded for the film as well as new versions of Mother, Bring the Boys Back Home, etc.
robert
QUOTE(dreamliner77 @ Jul 11 2003, 06:47 PM)
1)  Does anybody have the soundtrack to Zabriske Point?  It's the only Floydian thing I don't have and have never heard?

yes, there are two versions
1) a single cd version (Sony Music Special Products AK 52417)
2) a double cd version with "newly discovered and unreleased material from Pink Floyd and Jerry Garcia" (Turner Classic Movies Music 7243 8 23364 2 6)
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