Gabest just released a directshow decoder filter for realaudio (and realvideo)!
you still need the real dlls installed but it seems to work fine right now

get it (RealMedia Splitter) here

Command to register it?!

Put that in a .cmd file and it should work.

Didn't realise codec packs were illegal. I apologise

That is required also Works perfect here, haven't tested video yet.

Killer... I'm gonna uninstall Realplayer 8, install these & give 'er a try (hope streaming works). Maybe get rid of that nagware once & for all, that'd be refreshing.

Real codec packs are illegal --> Doom9 thread.

Edit: removed URL in quote

If not illegal, most of them are quite dangerous. Many have inadvertantly installed way too damn many filters, as is the default in many every-damn-codec-in-existence packs. *cough*nimo*cough*

Not only that, they are a right pain to get rid of. I installed RealCodecs10 and then at a later date decided I needed Real Player after all. When I tried to install it, it seemed to go on fine, but then would not run.

Eventually I decided to clear the RealCodecs off my PC, but there was no uninstall available. Deleting the files was no problem, but getting rid of the registry entries took ages as there are hundreds of them. Finally after removing every one, Real Player installed and ran perfectly.

why didn't you use the uninstaller

ok, can someone please explain the advantages to me? I mean what do I need it for? I already use the codec package + Media Player Classic I love it

Now you can use *any* Direct show based player to play your audio / video. It also allows to transmux to other container formats with Avisynth for instance.

There wasn't one. At least not in the realcodecs folder it created and not in add/remove programs.

I seem to recall that previous times when I've installed the RealCodecs pack there was an uninstaller. However, I just installed it again the other day and it's not there. Maybe I was trippin'.

Rob

I believe Gabest said that streaming would not work at all...

Hmmn... isn't that the main use for RealAudio/Video... streaming?

If streaming doesn't work then I think I'd rather go listen to my clock radio or watch an old, beat-up VHS tape from the early 80's, than to utilize RealAudio/Video locally.

Hrm.. I suggest you read Doom9's forum, "New A/V formats"

People have been raving a lot about the superior quality of Real Video 9 - it's generally agreed that it's better than DivX/XviD.

Yes, nice to see that there are some directshow filters now. Too bad they don't work with streaming. I am continually impressed by Gabest though, this guy just cranks out directshow filters like crazy. I really don't know how it does it. As for RV9, I don't think it is agreed that it is better than XviD or DivX at the mid to higher bitrates although probably low bitrates it could win (though you can do some tweaking so it might be closer than you think). But, RV9 has its fanboys just like XviD and whatever else and there certainly are some of these at doom9.

Interesting. It's been so long since I've backed up a DVD (except using old programs like FlaskMPEG) that it sounds interesting in terms of getting better quality in lower bitrates.

Except that I back up DVD's so rarely that FlaskMPEG is actually good enough for me. As old/outdated as it is, it still does OK with 2-CD backups with DivX 3 and < 120 minute movies. And more than that rare "point and click" backup, I have zero interest -- that's some movie pirate's world, afaic.

Actually, I'll be much happier when DVD burners & media get cheaper... then DVD Decrypter and Smartripper will have a better usage -- to make a single backup of DVD's as legally allowed, with original quality.

Err, no... at high bitrates (>= 900 kBps). Yes at low bitrates (< 900 kBps).

People have been raving about the low bitrate end. For "2 CD DVD backups" using low bitrates would be silly. Just like here, audio backups/archiving is done with MPC at high bitrates (or losseless encoding schemes).

Edit: Didn't see Bonzi's post. He's right on the mark.

Aghh, sorry but flask doesn't even do SBC with divx 3 without SBC divx 3 is useless. All kind of nasty motion trails, sh*t frames etc. Anyway, I'm sure you will like RV9 much more than this method. Some people really love 1 cd encodes even if it is like 3hrs, so whatever suits your fancy,

I've followed these discussions before, and never got interested in SBC and all that -- the absurd, kludgy "solutions" using 50 different programs at once to encode a movie :x . People who pirate movies can go all ga-ga on this topic if they like, it makes my head hurt.

Anyway, this is both off-topic and not of much interest to me personally -- what I'd really like to do is back up my DVD's at original quality onto writable DVD's (when the media and drives get more affordable), so don't get excited.

The key question...does this work with embedded audio/video? If not, then I have no point of using them.

What you mean with 'embedded' audio and video ' The filters are coming with a RealMedia container splitter filter, so you can play RealMedia files in every DShow player now ( if Realone is installed ).

Its also possible to transmux only a RV9 video stream into a matroska file and add AAC+ or Vorbis audio to it, or 3482 different language subtitles as SRT or SSA ... no limits !

You forgot the link in the topic that you referenced. Oh wait, you have no control over its contents. The point of codec packs being illegal was never really argued, it just sort of fizzled out. I guess nobody there really cares whether it is legal or not.

So what's your point ?! Too lazy to google for the codec pack ? Websites have been sued for similar links in the past and will be in the future.

This post is quite old now, but I feel I still have to comment on it to make clear that the majority of users on forum.doom9.org would never ever use RV9 to back up DVDs... RV9 still is a streaming codec and there's in fact only one single but very articulate RV9 fanboy on the New A/V formats forum who prefers to encode video at 350 Kbps... Interesting to see that he makes so much noise that false impressions make it all the way to this place.

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I'm starting to have to agree with Koepi (no matter how much that annoys me)

Sirber?

bingo!

rjamorim, disappointed that there is no progress on your favourite format recently, MP4 , and its only opensource implementation ? Is it coincidence that those who yell the most about me stating facts about matroska's capabilities, and on Forums that are specifically made to inform people about what can be done, and how to do it, are people with different interests than matroska getting widely used, and dont have much to show while matroska adds new features almost every day ??

Well, I see MP4 getting official support in Nero6 and NeroDigital. That's enough to brighten my day. Much more progress than matroska made in gathering users, IMO.



What really annoys me is that you enjoy jumping on every thread shouting about how matroska is superior to every living thing (heh). And, as I said, I have to agree with Koepi, no matter how much I dislike him: this is SPAM.

You may jerk off as much as you want claiming I'm an MP4 zealot, but you won't catch me dead posting on every thread that barely touches the container subject "hello, I am the official marketer of this real cool container, it's very good, it's called MP4. Everyone should be using it". I know how annoying that can get.

Here's a funny exercise: search for "matroska" posted by "ChristianHJW"
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....ghlite=Matroska

I bet MCF would have another handful of results.

Exactly who I was thinking of too. Though there are a few others that seem to really like RV9 who are quite vocal, but like teegedeck said the vast majority would prefer to not use RV9. Oh and btw rjamorim just do your little search at the doom9 forums, you will find 124 threads on just matroska not to mention MCF and other matroska team members. I don't agree with their advertising, in fact at times it really bugs me too. Other, open source development teams such as Xvid, lamemp3, vorbis etc don't see the need to advertise, first of all I don't think they have the time and second I think they believe that if their project is any good people will use it. I am not trying to be critical but I think that a new approach might be benefical for matroska. Enough people know about it now, possibly, word of mouth is a better way to spread the news now. Please understand I have nothing against matroska, I'm not mad at anyone or hold any grudges, just wanted to express honestly how I felt about this.

sorry, roberto, but this time you obviously missed an important thing :

Gabest Mediaplayer, MPC, had perfect Real support before, using the Real DLLs directly. The main reason for him to code these filters was to make Real playback from matroska possible, as there is no other way of doing it from his matroska splitter filter. So, please say again my post is 'unrelated' to this thread ....

would you all please stop with this shit ? I dont know who started with this nonsense, but it seems he made a pretty good job in discrediting us and our goals. And now everybody keeps repeating it over and over again like lemmings, brains switched of.

All we ( the team and me ) are doing since the container was released 1st May, is to answer user questions and to inform people if we have something new working. If this is 'advertising' and strictly forbidden, whats the purpose of a webboard ? I thought its to inform people, but maybe i am all wrong here ....

Embedded audio/video as in embedded audio/video in web pages (such as on CNN's web site). Many times web sites will have a web page with an embedded player on the page itself. If I cannot listen/watch embedded audio/video without RealPlayer installed, then it is pointless for me to use these filters. That is where the majority of my streaming use is from, web pages that embed RealAudio or Windows Media.

so am i right to understand this only works for local .rm files but not streaming links on, say nba.com or cbc.ca ? cause with the filter and the codec pack installed, all those realaudio/video links do is crash wmp. too bad if that is the case

No, actually it was you that missed chrisgeleven's question meaning.



If this was the only thread I for sure wouldn't be picking on the Matroska Advertisement Team (you).

Besides, absolutely noone was discussing containers before you stormed in. I don't know why Gabest created these filters, but the purpose surely wasn't mentioned at the first post (or any post until yours, heh).

Allow me to correct a few misunderstood things.

- Embeded media loads an activex control, exactly identified in the html code. There is no way to change the player there. Also, the filter will not try to open non-local files, because it just does not and cannot register itself on them.

- Matroska was only one of the reasons, I wanted to have a better way playing back rm files under windows. The realmedia framework is quite poor compared to the possiblities of directshow, with which now every player can play realmedia and if you know how you can even transcode/transmux it into another encoding/container format.

- rv9 with the recent advances can easily compete with divx/xvid/wmv/... (believe me, I've see quite a lot of amazingly high quality and still small test files in the last few days), and since it is now just easy to play it back as the mentioned other formats, it can eventually become a common choice for your everyday B-movie collection. The word is on "choice", don't use it if you don't want and leave the others alone, there is enough space in cyberspace for everyone.

Whatever, I'm not interested in starting a flame war or nothing. Believe me, I am all for you guys helping other people and I do believe in your project. What I expressed is my _own_ thoughts, not someone else's. And am not trying to discredit your goals, unless of course you mean world domination . And I'm not a stupid lemming, I mean seriously WTF? Thats just silliness and extemely insulting. Next year, I am registered in one of the most difficult programs at my university, no slouch and definitely no lemming would even get in.



I have no problem with you guys answering questions of course and informing people is what this is all about. But, forums are also a place for honest criticism which is what I did. I think other people already expressed what we are annoyed by. Now, lets get back to RV9. I have to be honest I have not used it since milestone 3, when I did use it backgrounds seem washed out on high quality encodes. Also, I wasn't too impressed by the audio quality either. But it looks like they have made considerable improvements so maybe it is time to try it again.

Dang it. I had a very sharp post going, and then I noticed that Bonzi had responded with a coherent reply and now I've had to go and delete the whole thing since we are back on topic. I will just add this though, ChristianHJW's original reply was very on topic and useful, if not complete.

The question was asked, "ok, can someone please explain the advantages to me?". On the same idea of, "Its also possible to transmux only a RV9 video stream into a matroska file", there are a couple of reasons this is really good. Like all codecs, all of them have area's that they excel in, and RV9 is not exception. The problem is that its native container is limiting, some might even call it "goofy". For whatever reason, they haven't gotten subtitles to be stored in the container, and there are only a couple of audio formats supported. It also doesn't have much application support for editing and such.

So, if you place it in another general container that does have some editing application support, subtitle support, and allows any number of other audio formats, suddenly it becomes much more useable. Matroska is one such container. I am sure that anyone could see the advantage of being able to mix and match video, audio and subtitle codecs to produce optimal results for a certain situation.

So, one advantage is that the Real DS filter allows RV9 to be more functional by allowing playback from a more functional container.

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I feel like drowning in advertizements.