With new copyright laws in germany, bypassing a copy protection on CD/DVD will be forbidden. This includes production and advertising of appropriate software and even tutorials.
I wonder what's the point, if EAC, CDex or others are able to rip a copy protected CD? These programs don't have special techniques to bypass copy protection. If they rip "playing-protected" CD's, it's just a lucky combination of hardware, software and some kind of copy protection. But others may say it's not legal. Who's guilty? Stop the madness!
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What do they call "bypass" ? Is it forbidden to copy it on a tape ?
QUOTE(Pio2001 @ Jul 17 2003, 01:19 AM)
What do they call "bypass" ? Is it forbidden to copy it on a tape ?
I don't know.
Is it forbidden to use an audio cd-recorder (from philips, jv, denon an others) to make a copy?
All these questions will be decided in lawsuits, as words like "bypass" are not clearly explained.
QUOTE(elmar3rd @ Jul 16 2003, 04:29 AM)
With new copyright laws in germany, bypassing a copy protection on CD/DVD will be forbidden. This includes production and advertising of appropriate software and even tutorials.
I thought this new law was blocked in Bundesrat ~ 1 month ago. Have I missed something?
QUOTE(tigre @ Jul 17 2003, 11:41 AM)
QUOTE(elmar3rd @ Jul 16 2003, 04:29 AM)
With new copyright laws in germany, bypassing a copy protection on CD/DVD will be forbidden. This includes production and advertising of appropriate software and even tutorials.
I thought this new law was blocked in Bundesrat ~ 1 month ago. Have I missed something?
i think i heard, it passed through the bundesrat now.
regards; ilikedirt
QUOTE(elmar3rd @ Jul 17 2003, 01:21 PM)
Is it forbidden to use an audio cd-recorder (from philips, jv, denon an others) to make a copy?
It's impossible anyway. The recorder says "copy forbidden".
It's impossible also from the difgital out of a CD Player to a Creative soundcard (the live at least blocks incoming SCMS-protected SPDIF), I don't know about Terratec or M-Audio, Marian Marc allows it.
The real problem is drives that can natively read protected CD.
QUOTE(elmar3rd @ Jul 16 2003, 12:29 PM)
With new copyright laws in germany, bypassing a copy protection on CD/DVD will be forbidden. This includes production and advertising of appropriate software and even tutorials.
I wonder what's the point, if EAC, CDex or others are able to rip a copy protected CD? These programs don't have special techniques to bypass copy protection. If they rip "playing-protected" CD's, it's just a lucky combination of hardware, software and some kind of copy protection. But others may say it's not legal. Who's guilty? Stop the madness!
I wonder what's the point, if EAC, CDex or others are able to rip a copy protected CD? These programs don't have special techniques to bypass copy protection. If they rip "playing-protected" CD's, it's just a lucky combination of hardware, software and some kind of copy protection. But others may say it's not legal. Who's guilty? Stop the madness!
Same here in Italy, isn't allowed to copy or break the protection in copy protected cds. But advertising and tutorial of software shouldn't be prohibited.
QUOTE(Pio2001 @ Jul 17 2003, 04:07 PM)
QUOTE(elmar3rd @ Jul 17 2003, 01:21 PM)
Is it forbidden to use an audio cd-recorder (from philips, jv, denon an others) to make a copy?
It's impossible anyway. The recorder says "copy forbidden".
It's impossible also from the difgital out of a CD Player to a Creative soundcard (the live at least blocks incoming SCMS-protected SPDIF), I don't know about Terratec or M-Audio, Marian Marc allows it.
The real problem is drives that can natively read protected CD.
This kind of recording is possible atleast when using Terratec DMX 6Fire 24/96. The 6Fire's control panel has a nice button which causes the copyright info to be filtered out.
My understanding of the Danish rules is that it's illegal to bypass an effective copy protection. I.e. if your ripper has a setting called "bypass protection", you can't use it, since the protection obviously works, and you have to make special precautions to bypass it. If it just rips like everything else, then there isn't any effective protection, and you can rip at large. 
For instance, most copy protected CDs play and rip fine on my mac - there's often just one track I can't play.
I guess it's pretty much the same in Germany, since the laws are implementations of an EU directive.
For instance, most copy protected CDs play and rip fine on my mac - there's often just one track I can't play.I guess it's pretty much the same in Germany, since the laws are implementations of an EU directive.
I think that they mean this: when the cd is protect and you copied it, then you bypassed the protection and doesn't matter if you used some tricks or if the drive read these cd without problems.
Howewer it's strange, because a law says that the buyer can make a backup copy of the cd, but another law says that this is illegal if the cd is copy protected.. which is a contraddiction
Howewer it's strange, because a law says that the buyer can make a backup copy of the cd, but another law says that this is illegal if the cd is copy protected.. which is a contraddiction
http://europa.eu.int/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?...&model=guichett
here's a link with original text of this directive
here's a link with original text of this directive
Thanks, Raff,
I was going to say that with the spread of C2 based protections, protected CD can no longer be considered as Compact Disc Digital Audio, since they don't comply with the Red Book specifications, as Philips already stated. But the text doesn't speak about CD, but about any digital media.
but
Thus if we copy a protected CD without knowing it's protected because it can be copied without any speciel operation, we're not guilty.
I was going to say that with the spread of C2 based protections, protected CD can no longer be considered as Compact Disc Digital Audio, since they don't comply with the Red Book specifications, as Philips already stated. But the text doesn't speak about CD, but about any digital media.
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Technological measures shall be deemed "effective" where the use of a protected work or other subject-matter is controlled by the rightholders through application of an access control or protection process, such as encryption, scrambling or other transformation of the work or other subject-matter or a copy control mechanism, which achieves the protection objective.
but
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1. Member States shall provide for adequate legal protection against any person knowingly performing without authority any of the following acts:
(a) the removal or alteration of any electronic rights-management information;
(B) the distribution, importation for distribution, broadcasting, communication or making available to the public of works or other subject-matter protected under this Directive or under Chapter III of Directive 96/9/EC from which electronic rights-management information has been removed or altered without authority,
if such person knows, or has reasonable grounds to know, that by so doing he is inducing, enabling, facilitating or concealing an infringement of any copyright or any rights related to copyright as provided by law, or of the sui generis right provided for in Chapter III of Directive 96/9/EC.
(a) the removal or alteration of any electronic rights-management information;
(B) the distribution, importation for distribution, broadcasting, communication or making available to the public of works or other subject-matter protected under this Directive or under Chapter III of Directive 96/9/EC from which electronic rights-management information has been removed or altered without authority,
if such person knows, or has reasonable grounds to know, that by so doing he is inducing, enabling, facilitating or concealing an infringement of any copyright or any rights related to copyright as provided by law, or of the sui generis right provided for in Chapter III of Directive 96/9/EC.
Thus if we copy a protected CD without knowing it's protected because it can be copied without any speciel operation, we're not guilty.
And if they ever try to get to you for braking this law you'll reply "what, it is copy-protected? didn't know that, now I want my money back because this is an inferior product. as a true audiophile i would *NEVER* knowingly buy such a product"
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