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Oxygen-Free Bidirectional copper cable.
This UNIQUE product consists of twin multi-stranded cores, each of which comprises 45 strands of 0.2mm oxygen-free antimony-copper wire. Each strand is individually sealed with a protective flexible urethane varnish. The double-twisted strands are arranged so that bidirectional current flow can take place with electrons able to move in BOTH directions (electrons move through the copper while positively charged "holes" move through the antimony).


Wow. That's possibly one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
I wonder if the genius who wrote it ever wonders how the "positive holes" get into his electrical system to begin with without antimony house wiring.
Unbelievable.
Patsoe
QUOTE(Audible! @ Aug 18 2003, 01:53 AM)
...I wonder if the genius who wrote it ever wonders how the "positive holes" get into his electrical system to begin with without antimony house wiring.

Actually that part is more or less correct. Still, in reality electrons do the moving (jumping from hole to hole), but you might say there are holes moving the opposite direction.
Something however goes wrong in how this translates to audible advantages.... unsure.gif
Audible!
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Actually that part is more or less correct. Still, in reality electrons do the moving (jumping from hole to hole), but you might say there are holes moving the opposite direction.
Something however goes wrong in how this translates to audible advantages....


I am fully aware of the physical notation for representing moving charge in electrical systems with "positive holes"; this is archaic notation as electrons are now known to be negatively charged, but since the only fundamental difference is the sign, the net result is identical.
That is the justification that lazy physicists use, at least. Chemists deal with reality wink.gif

What I found amusing was the claim that Antimony is selectively conducting the "negative holes" while the copper was selectivity conducting electrons in the opposite direction. Logic would dictate then that these folks should biwire the house with Antimony and Cu as well. Otherwise they might run out of positive holes!
DonP
QUOTE(Audible! @ Aug 17 2003, 07:53 PM)

  Wow. That's possibly one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
I wonder if the genius who wrote it ever wonders

While you're wondering about what genius wrote it, did you notice that the web addresses have bits like "bs" and "scam" in them? These web pages are april fool material like light bulbs that emit darkness when hooked up to negative frequency AC current.
Audible!
Did you even look at the first page?
It's a relatively clever send-up (or wind-up) of actual audiophile-style garbage, in direct contrast to the second and the slashdot posting. The "Kapak wool" in particular is quite amusing. Tritium is very good for acoustics apparently.
edit:tritIum
fewtch
I read stuff like that on a daily basis on head-fi (especially when people are talking about cables, arrrgh)... it's lost the ability to surprise me. Interestingly enough, there's much less of this type of BS on the "Vinyl Asylum" at audioasylum.com, probably because there are enough things that legitimately affect the sound of vinyl playback without having to make up too much stuff.

It seems people are in search of improvements, but more importantly -- a sense of control and accomplishment, perhaps the thrill of "buying the best." What's amazing is that some people are willing to spend so much *($% money to find it, and believe outrageous claims. There's a lot of "group think" on most message boards, of course, and in "audiophilia" in general...
Patsoe
QUOTE(Audible! @ Aug 19 2003, 12:21 AM)
That is the justification that lazy physicists use, at least. Chemists deal with reality wink.gif

iirc, Antimony based material can actually be made electron-depleted. In this context, moving holes are more appropriate even with chemists, or?
mobius
Yes, but MY speaker cables actually allow you to HEAR when an electron chooses which hole to jump into... but you must listen first. smile.gif
JonPike
Coming from a science and engineering background, this stuff always cracks me up. Or something... Sometimes I just shake my head, or have to hold it gently for a while.

One thing I really love, is cables that have an ARROW on them to show which way the signal should flow!!

Hey, those 3' interconnects cost $1000, they must know something we don't!!!
Patsoe
QUOTE(JonPike @ Aug 19 2003, 08:08 AM)
One thing I really love,  is cables that have an ARROW on them to show which way the signal should flow!!

Isn't that to show on which end the shielding is connected?
JonPike
Well, that might actually make sense..

But I read one description, where it was supposed to be the way the signal should flow, due to the orientation of the crystal structure of the wire... rolleyes.gif
ibm2080
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at the end of the first link? laugh.gif
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