I'll try with installing php on my machine

does not work

One thing that has always "troubled" me: Why in the world does Mozilla ask for permission to act as a server? I don't see any reason for that.

Benjamin: The PHP installation doesn't have anything to do with the browser (= the client), it depends entirely on the server configuration. (Let's discuss that via email/ICQ, it doesn't really belong here .)

CU

Dominic

At a core level:

- Opera has lackluster and buggy Javascript support in some areas (very poor to no regular expression support for one).
- Opera has almost no DOM support except for a few small items (enough to make some popup menu's work).
- Because of the first two items, DHTML support is largely non-existant.
- Opera doesn't render as quickly as Mozilla.

These two are related really. CSS in Opera isn't quite as advanced as Mozilla either. I can't recall specific properties that aren't supported in Opera than are in Mozilla at the moment, but I have come across a few in some of my recent web-design experiments.

Opera renders slower than Mozilla in many cases (so much for the fastest browser on earth part ). This is especially so when the page is table heavy -- try loading HA in both as a comparison. Opera also has the tendency to not display parts of the page "on the fly" like Mozilla, which further plays into this effect of showing up slowly.

Another area which may be worth mentioning is SVG support. While the standard distributions of Mozilla 1.0 don't include SVG either (support exists, you just have to get a special version), I suspect Mozilla 1.1, which should come out some time in the fall I believe, will have this included out of the box. Opera on the other hand, I seriously doubt is going to have native support for SVG. This kind of falls under the standards compliance areas.... Opera isn't as up to date as Mozilla, and I suspect things are going to continue to get worse. Keeping a browser up to date with all of the specs (and implementing them properly), is quite a monumental task.

Quick Summarization:

Opera is slower (in rendering, I'm not talking about efficiency in loading up, memory footprint, or any of that) and less standard compliant than Mozilla. It's not free either (no, bannerware doesn't count ).

I believe it's enabled by default, but if it's not, then enable it.

I'm likeing this newest RC of Mozilla. Can't wait till v1.

Ask in Opera, answer in Mozilla

In short, you persuaded me to try it. (Mainly because of the opensource-idea and because Opera doesn't display certain websites properly. Fortunately M. does).

End-user first impression. Not too many diffferences in "gimmicky"-options. M. is (expectedly) a bit more stripped-down. Glad the tabbed-window is available, though it doesn't seem to work on links from outside programs . Rendering is indeed better and pages loads more user-friendly.
Bookmark-exporting and -importing is (like for every browser) ridiciously one-sided. Bookmarks-manager looks capable/comprehensive.
Adjustment of placement of toolbars (very minor quibble) seems non-existant.
It browses and it browses well.

I need those mouse gestures though. Optimoz doesn't seem to work here (Doesn't show up after install). Anybody else have this problem too with Build 2002051006?
EDIT: Nevermind. I did the usual mistake of installing latest stable version of Optimoz (0.3.2) which doesn't work with RC2. 0.3.3 works

All in all. Nice browser. The Opensource-concept, the rendering and better compliance makes for good reasons to switch to Mozilla. Besides it looks like theres an extensive support with plugins "out there"

One thing that still really pisses me off (and is one of the main reasons I won't switch to Mozilla) is the terribly slow-responding interface. I have a Celeron 500 and 384 MB RAM (which I don't consider a "very slow" computer), and no other application does it. (Yes, I know, Mozilla has a totally different GUI "system" than other standard windows apps, but this shouldn't happen.)

At least it can handle the Dial-Up Network properly, and the bookmark manager is actually usable, now

Mozilla is slow to load up for the first time (at least on Linux) but after it's loaded into memory it can be opened up within a couple seconds. On recent versions of Moz for Windows I notice they had an option to enable 'quickstart' which just means Moz gets loaded into memory at boot. Windows will automatically load Internet Explorer and Office into memory at boot so they always appear to be a lot more responsive than non Microsoft apps. No doubt they keep the 'nice' value pretty low for non MS apps too.. wou'ld put that past them ;-)

After 4 years of development, Mozilla 1.0 is here.
Get it here: http://www.mozilla.org
Read about it here: http://www.mozillazine.org

Is it just me or are the windows installer links broken ?

They are broken, and it hasn't made it to any of the mirrors that I have looked at.

I have the same problem : FlashGet downloaded only 2k, then came 404 error...

Mozilla.org is getting pounded. Maybe they should have pushed it out to the mirrors before anouncing the release. Once it's posted on Slashdot, it's all over. China Syndrome.

Just in case you can't wait download it here: ftp://komodo.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.0/
This ftp is primary for developers, so you should better wait and don't waste their bandwith.

OK, I promise I won't use that link...

I think the "official" links work again. Can any1 confirm this ?

Okay, I have it now from mozilla.org and have to say that I'm really impressed: No bugs or crashes yet (okay I use 1.0 since 5 minutes now) and fast as always...
Mozilla IS the best browser...
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Try this one, works fine for me:
http://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.0/

That server works fine & fast for me.

^^ this is exactly why I'm still using Opera. if it is fixed one day (now?), I'll switch to Moz.

Try using K-Meleon, Mozilla imbedded in the native win32 toolkit. It's quite a bit less resource intensive and more responsive.

Congrat's to the moz team!! Now.. how long until Gentoo get the ebuild up ;-)

yep, I've looked at k-meleon just last week, but all I found was a version based on moz 0.9.something which was really slow when rendering tables..

guess i'll have to look a bit harder *fires up Google* - or am I missing something here? ???

The latest stable version I think is still based only on .9 something, but they have a development version which should be based on one of the later 1.0 rcs I believe.

Edit:

Maybe not... oh well. I'm pretty sure a new version will be released now that Moz has hit 1.0

I got it a few minutes after it was posted up on slashdot, pulled a nice 300KB/s from mozilla.org

Anyways, the browser is nice. Very very nice. They optimized it more, there are still a few little quirks though. For the most part, it works prefectly.

Fast, stable, and now with a little lighter footprint.

For something completely whacked, get the Internet Explorer skin. It's pretty amazing. Quite good enough for fooling those companies that forbid anything but IE on the desktop.

http://themes.mozdev.org/skins/ie.html

Warning, the link is sloooooooowwwwww.....

The reasons I like Mozilla:
+ Not IE, and not IE based
+ Not owned by Microsoft
+ Doesn't take over the system
+ Doesn't have dozens of documented and undocumented security issues
+ It's constantly being updated at a phenomenal rate
+ Has great features all roled into one slick browser
+ Doesn't whore my system full of get AOL links - unlike new versions of Netscape

The reason I dislike Mozilla:
- The bookmark feature has never worked properly or stops working. I cannot change the default bookmarks to my preferred ones without the browser completely crashing.

Cool! Cool! Cool! Let the world rejoice of the mighty reptilian feet stomping over all of the IE Buildings

(Btw, hi ppl, sorry long time no see, lost internet )

/me rejoices at the 1.0-ness of Mozilla.

Drop in the stumbleupon.com addin, the Orbit skin (wow is it ever sweet!), and gpg plugin for Composer, and I'm a happy camper!

I was a little disappointed when I tried to DL mozilla and getting only 2 kb/s though -- I've never dropped below 125 kb/s from that site before, and I normally get 250 kb/s. Ah well, it was worth the wait.

Yay 1.0. Tabbed browsing is what finally sold me to exclusive Mozilla usage.

Hrmm.. yeah that is quite nice (thanks for mentioning it) . Blends in perfectly with my Gnome2 + E running the OrangeJuice themes respectively

hmmm... where? i've searched all the preferences are and found nothing ???

i'm using RC3

Edit/preferences/Advanced/Scripts&Windows

Until v0.98 or so, I couldn't use the bookmarks properly either (LOTS of faults). Now, it works farily well, but I still can't figure out how to sort the entries in the bookmark menu (not the sidebar tab "bookmars" or the bookmarks manager) by name, they stay in the order they were added.

Any solution (I doubt it )?

Edit: One more question... I have set up Mozilla to open HTML documents etc. as well as all the protocols. But Outlook Express still opens all links in IE... does anybody know how to fix that?

you need to set Mozilla as your default browser

That's exactly what I've done by letting it handle HTML files (and the rest) and the protocols, isn't it? The configuration menu doesn't have any option to "set a default browser" as such.

To me, "setting an application as default browser" means to assign file types and protocols to it. Or is there something else I don't know of?

In Internet Explorer, go to Tools->Internet Options->Programs

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GCP

I had tried that already, but there's no appropriate setting for this.

HTML Editor: Mozilla (correct)
E-Mail: Outlook Express (correct)
News: Outlook Express (correct)
Contacts: Adress book (correct)

Check for IE as default browser: Deactivated.

???

Sorry, I misinterpreted your question.

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GCP

simply stop using Outlook Express... its disgusting that u use it...

I love it, to be honest . I've tried just about any other mail client, but none could really convince me to switch.

Edit: I'd better say "Any other FREE mail client", which The Bat is not (I know it's said to be good, but I will not pay for an e-mail program).

The Bat! owns me

Im fanatic the Bat! user too... fantastic program. pitty the html engine doesnt work perfect for me. do u know incredimail??? wonderful program, when talking bout how wonderful the emails you send will LOOK. but exept from the look, its not that good. I use the bat AND incredimail - send mails via incredi, if i want a good-looking one, normally use the bat!

J

btw they dont update the bat that much, isnt it??? why dont they stop developing it, and give it to the open-sourced community!!! then we can all abandon almost every other mailprogram and start using the bat!!!

(you might use mozilla's emailclient or pegasus-mail - there are more mailprogs around! alot opensourced, esp for linux...)

nice! gotta love this program. it's perfect for me since i really dislike html mail for some strange reason anyway ???

I dont like html mails either, esp for special occasions (announcement of a party, for example). its slower, and - whatever i dont like it either

now... the bat opensourced and my day is perfect.... but i dont think it will happen soon

cu!!!

I just spent over one hour playing around with the 1.0 release last night, and the bookmarks at least stick now without crashing the browser, but as you've stated sorting them doesn't work - even when clicking the View and applying sorting options. It's rather annoying for me since I have to have things alphabetized or it'll drive me fruity.

About the only trickery I know to change a browser as the system default one when it doesn't work internally from the browser configuration is to change the file associations manually, however doing so could permanently break Internet Explorer (it's happened to me) thus you'd need to make a system registery backup before dabbling with the associations.

The new Moz 1.0 was rather slow on my system, every page load took ages (except for mozilla.org) and I couldn't get this forum to load even with my filtering software disabled.

trying to reload the bookmarks crashes moz as well

ORBIT
strange, it works like a charm here. in fact it's so good that even I (the die-hard Opera-fanatic ™) am considering to keep using it

Strange. I've been using Mozilla for months and I've never seen a problem like this. The forum works like a charm, and actually loads faster under Moz than under IE (or Opera).

Oh, and I use Mozilla with Proxomitron when I'm in windows.. never any problems there either.

Maybe it's something else causing your problems?

hmmm... quite weird. mozilla 1.0 is working very well on my system. pages load a lot faster than with internet explorer, especially with webwasher enabled. of course, most pages will load slightly faster without webwasher, but i'm fairly happy with the browsing engine so far