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This is adressed in the DVD ReBuilder: Known Issues thread.

hm, I don't know, what is technically meant with 'import' of avisynth scripts 'into' cce 2.62,
because I used avs scripts for my svcds via cce 2.62.
I made them via vob -> dvd2avi -> d2v file -> (somewhere the vfapi-converter had to convert something for CCE, so that CCE could understand it, maybe the avs script to a pseudo-avi, no, iirc, or the d2v file converted to pseudo-avi, so that avisynth could understand it)
-> avs file -> CCE 2.62
(hm, hmm, iirc, it was CCE, which did not accept avs files, so those had to be converted to pseuso-avi via vfapi reader, mist, I don't have my guide here at this pc, and I haven't carried out svcd for some longer time, as there is dvd+r now, with IC8, will have a look later, how CCE 2.62 was fed with avs script.)

I have now tried CloneDVD, Instant Copy & DVD Rebuilder (with CCE) & so far DVD Rebuilder has the best quality but is also the slowest, CloneDVD really does a decent job for the 20-60 minutes it takes compared to DVD Rebuilder's 180-240 minutes on my system.

any special reasons to use cloneDVD over dvdshrink (speedwise) or over ic8 (qualitywise) ?
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about my miniDVD, it is a nogo, with mpeg2 one simply can nott put 40 minutes of video on 700 megs cd (i tryed with d1/2, but the result is disaster), ill go good old xvid way.

Quality: IC8 (high mode=2 passes) > CloneDVD
speed: CloneDVD > Nero recode2 > IC8 high mode-2-pass (but even with my P3@800 : IC8 2-pass high mode (ca. 4 hours) is really quick compared to SVCD encodings via CCE-2.62 in 2+1 pass (iirc ca. 12-24 hours)


If you wanna put 40 minutes video on 700 MB CD, then I would use SVCD (even SVCD standard will already result to good quality, not XSVCD necessary in any case), SVCD via CCE. (of course, you would make audio to mp2, which can easily and in good quality be done via HeadAC3he, or Besweet, multiplex audio with old Tmpeg12a eg., well, the latest should do well, too, but some followers of tmpeg12a were crappy muxer), btw, up to 4 stereo audio streams are standard in svcd, but to get good picture quality for 40 minutes (FitCD), use only max. 2 stereo. You are not fixed to 224 kbit/s. Use mp2enc with bitrates below 192 kbit/s in mode2, 224 and higher: mode1, iirc, here should be long topic over the usage of mode 1 and mode 2 for mp2 at HA.


btw., about CCE 2.62 and accepting avisynth .avs script:

I had a look in my guide,
you need to convert .d2v (result from dvd2avi) via vfapi-converter, 1.04b iirc, to pseudo-avi,
then the avs is feeded with this pseudo-avi,
then you need to convert the avs script to pseudo-avi for usage in CCE 2.62, which works only with vfapi-converter 1.03b !!!
The pseudo-avi created by this way is accepted by CCE 2.62.

The guys at KVCD forum are specialized at putting hours of HQ (or lets say no visible artifacts) in to one CD by using mpeg 1/2 + heavy Avisynth scripting + custom quantization matrices. I managed to stuck Matrix 1 in one CD using their scripts/templates at 352*576. The quality was at least as good as my VHS copy, probpably even better.

is the stream generated compatible with dvd authoring apps? (i mean will they eat such a stream without moaning?)

yeah, iam getting a really bad vhs like picture... (not really wanted for a material shot with a 'semipro' 3ccd dv camcorder), anyway, the cdrom will be there just for the ppl that dont have a dvd player in their computers (losers ).

Yes, it is possible to create DVD compliant streams. Check their KDVD forum.

sounds good , tnx.
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back on topic, there will be (as it seems) new version of dvdshrink:
http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread...&threadid=37290
(for those who missed this info in some other forums.)

Lazy-Lev today; is there a general ranking of DVD Transcoder's, with regards to providing the best QUALITY (nothing else is a factor)?

This table should give you a rough idea. It's somewhat accepted that InstantCopy has the best quality, followed by Nero Recode, DVD Shrink and CloneDVD. According to the DVD Shrink author, the new quality setting in 3.20 increase quality once again, and that new version hasn't been thoroughly tested yet in that regard. Surely DVD Shrink is the best free choice, and it should've come closer to IC now.

As you might have noticed, the german PC-Mag "Chip" has declared Nero Recode 2.2.6.9 to "Testsieger" (Test-Winner) in their May/2005-Issue.
What's your oppinion ? Has Nero Recode deserved the first place ? In the last CHIP-Test it was only place two, and now it's number one.
Has it really become better than Pinnacle Instant Copy v8 ?



Translation:

"Up to the future: Thanks to it's superior picture-quality Recode boldly goes into bitrates where no Codec has gone before.
Excellent picture-quality, integrated 5.1-Sound-Codec, official Video-Standard,
and easy handling are making Nero Recode 2.2.6.9 the Test-Winner of the Mpeg4-Encoders."
Chip, Mai 2005

ähem, as DVD-Transcoder is meant by (my understanding, my..) definition, transcoding from DVD -> DVD with shrinking.
this is mpeg2 to mpeg2 video.

Though Chip declared Nero recode as best in the category "mpeg4"...
well, would be really interesting to know, what experts at doom9 tell, which is best divx, xvid etc etc.
So, for mpeg2, the facts are still standing imo,
best quality (& relative good speed) by CCE, best speed/quality/convenience compromise by IC8. Though it is told, that IC8 is even better qualitywise at shrinkings around 80% than CCE. CCE will win, if shrinking is performed to clearly lower bitrates.

When I tested and published here at page 1 my result in January 2004, that Instant Copy 8 had clear picture quality advantage, and that I even decided, that this quality advantage outweighs the speed disadvantage,

I changed my opinion,

I am using meanwhile Nero Recode 2, quality is better than before, at least same level like IC8. So for speed and for the very good gui, which allows easy configuring which and how the various DVD parts are transcoded, I use nero Recode 2 since March 2005.