yep thanks i'm going to check it too

you give me work that's great, as i'm happy to customize others .ski, i'm really happy to help others do that too...

i think you can make these changes :

in HeaBside_scripts.ski, inside section toggles add a line :

and in HeaBside.ski go to

change states.None to toggles.sprites4

why don't you try making a skin too ? i think you understand well how things goes now, it's not as difficult as it seems, just follow tk32 great tutorial

the skin, carbon, i tried messing around with those strings and it doesnt show the playing time so iono hehe

if you could also change the old skin or tell me how to edit it, thx

section songtime
int show show.Always
string fspec "$ifgreater(%songtime._istoggled%,0,%et%,%rt%)"
bool mouseinput true
int toggle 0
int x 385
int y 2
int width 30
int height 10

hmm....

that section songtime is a foo_looks 1.0 code. it will NOT work in foo_looks 2.0

anyway - i'll answer your question in foo_looks 1.0 code.

---

ok you have 2 choices:

1.
swap the %et% and %rt% so that it shows elapsed time by default (but you can switch to remaining time by clicking)

use this:



2.
remove the istoggled code so that it always shows elapsed time.

use this:

thanks carel , it was exactly what i wanted

and thanks again for your great look and your help




hmmm how could i answer without giving the feeling i m unable to do anything with my hands ... lol ... changing the positions of some elements of your skin was not hard ok , but starting a new skin from scratch , i don t think i can do that ... and i m not going to talk about the graphics which would be even harder for me
If i find a very simple ( and good ) idea, i ll give it a try but i don t know what i could do

Hamallainen
you're welcome ! would you mind sending me the .ski you modified via pm ? i'd like to add it as a 'mod' in my webspace, maybe other users would like to have it (at least one - me )
About designing a fresh one : well i told you that because i was a bit 'afraid' when i started designing HeaBside (especially when i saw tk32 Graviton and DanZ microlayout)...
but modifying existing things is a good way to create new thing hope you'll make your own one day

if people need some help with graphics then i can try to assist you.

if you design a basic skin shape and show me where text & buttons should be placed, then i can make the graphics more interesting in Photoshop


if anybody has good ideas for skins, but doesn't feel confident as an artist, then please tell us your ideas!

thx tk32, im sticking with the old foo_looks cuz i like that skin and besides, the new foo_looks doesnt have that many skins yet

too tired to start any coding for this, which looks like it may take quite some time, but I figured I would show you guys what im working on atm.


It's quite obviously an itunes ripoff, but still, I used some of the blending options from the mac attack skin wip that tk was working on. Questions/comments appreciated so I can maybe change something before finish. Obviously the play/pause/fw/rw buttons go in the top left indentations incase your wondering. Oh, also the watermark is just temporary.

nice work

my advice is to make space for a expand/collapse button, so that we can add the ability to hide the playlist

@ub312g0d : looks nice do you plan to make the buttons at the bottom like the original itunes ?
@tk32 : (another idea about playlist although i don't have time to try it now) i had this idea when i looked at upNorth relative placement code : couldn't we add a 'dragable' corner on the playlist, in order to allow us to adjust its height & width with mouse ? this corner would have a script attached wich modify the x,y of the sprites used for right and bottom sides of the playlist (+height for right sprite) and modify the height & width of the look window.
This would add a small constraint for any playlist-based look : it needs right_side & bottom_side sprites that could be easily moved without visual problems at the 'jonction' (no problem with upNorth concept as everything has the same color, but with footunes might be an issue because of textures)
and er.. maybe haven't you seen my last 2 questions, about keyboard inputs and console output ?

I will be adding a few of the buttons at the bottom of it to get to certain foobar functions like opening the config and such, but theres alot more buttons on the itunes bar than what I can use. An expand/collapse button is a good idea. The dragable windows I dont think is doable in this version of looks. Would be in html, but not like that helps much. Also, has any thought been put into making the skinning language any easier? Possibly like xml, which would also allow the easy creation of a skin creating program.

Hi
I'm writing my first skin and I have two problems and one question.
- I have a problem with playlist number. If I use %_playlist_number% olways show 0 :|
- I have using mouse wheel to change volume and to change songs like this:
code:
----------------------------------------
lua P_N
function onmousewheel(this, delta)
if delta>0 then fb2k_playSkipStart(-1) else fb2k_playSkipStart(1) end
end
endlua
----------------------------------------
And I have a problem becouse the wheel not work with 100% and sometimes do not. And I must click on something else and then wheel work fine.

And a question: Can I (how) change master volume on my sound card from my skin becouse I want to change foobar volume on left click and master volume on right mouse click.


Maybe someone wont to see my simply skin.

This skin work fine and complite. I have plan my skin like simply pilot not too much space on pulpit. Some functions are hidden so if You someone test my skin is important to try rigt clicking wheel and double clicking on all buttons to find all functions.This skin have olso one place on the pulpit (left upper corner). This skin I made in dedicated resoluton of workspace (You will see why).

(Colors: black, grey, orange red, and work with foo_looks 2.1)

Maybe someone have a some space and I may to send a e-mail to this person who distribute this skin to other people

Each sprite has a property "playlistindex" which determines which item it formats its text against.

By default it is -1 which is the now playing item.

tk32 can elaborate on this - he dealt with it for his looks.



I've seen the sporadic mouse wheel problem but don't have a fix yet.



Only the foobar volume is available for changing from the look scripts.

keyboard input is pretty experiemental at this point and not really well supported. I hope to revisit it sometime for a future release.

Thank You danZ. Playlist number work fine . I was looking haw to show playlist number and I was seeking all skins and tk32 too and when I use his function I forgot change sprite name . (not forgot just do not know )

Today I'm installed foobar2000 0.8.1 and the problem with my skin back. The playlist number shows 0 . When I save my skin the playlist number was fine till I changed the song. I solve this to use :


becouse the

not work good with my 0.8.1. I do not know why.


If someone want to have my skin pleace write . I can send with e-mail.

new versior of "see through cover art"
now can display info tags

Download

Screenshoot

if you just want webspace i can temporarily host your files in my webspace until you get yours (sadly, i don't have much time yet for testing )

Here is hadda's sunset_skin (26kB)

Sunset skin instruction:
This skin is designed to put to left up corner on pulpit. This is like simply pilot and do not take more place and not take on way to other aplications. The information belt is on the center of pulpit so i created few version of skins for most screen resolution.

On this skin are 3 buttons and 3 active areas:
From left
------------------
<play button>
This button are separate from rest skin and resident ont he corner. You can shot this button easy and you do not need eyes.
-[left mouse click] play next
-[right m.c.] pause/play
-[mouse wheel] up/down volume
------------------
<next/prev.>
-[left m.c] prev.
-[right m.c] next
-[mouse wheel] prev./next
------------------
<volume belt>
-[left m.c] change volume with follow cursor
-[mouse wheel] up/down volume
------------------
<Info belt>
-[left m.c] seek song with follow cursor
------------------
<hand area>
this area is for moving skin
------------------
<close show button>
-[left m.c] show/hide foobar window
-[right m.c] close foobar2000
-[doubleclick] show foobar preferences
-------------------------------------------------------

Thank You carel to put link to my skin

Hi

I have 2 questions:

1) i ve updated foobar2000 to version 0.81 and since then each time i launch foobar , the menus and command buttons do not apear in the main foobar window
this screenshot will be more explicit :



if i remove foo_look.dll from the component folder then it works fine

Anyone else experiencing this bug ? does foo_look need an update to work with foobar 0.81 ( i had no problem with 0.8 )



2) for the 2nd question i hope it has not been already asked but i d like to know if it s possible to import some text from separate file to display it in a sprite ?
Because i'd like to display the lyrics of the playing song but my lyrics are not stored in tags but in a separate file for each song like this
<album folder>
|_<Lyrics>
| |_song1.lrc
| |_song2.lrc
| |_song3.lrc
| |_etc.....
|_song1.mpc
|_song2.mpc
|_song3.mpc
|_etc...

does "import" can import just simple text from a file without the text being in a string ?

thanks

I haven't tried 0.8.1 yet so I can't say if there are issues.

Regarding the lyrics. You could do what you want via scripting by using lua I/O facilities. import serves a different function.

Basically you will need a script attached to the sprite in question that would:

• determine the lyrics filename based on song name and your directory layout
• open the file using openfile()
• read in the lyrics using read()
• set the text of the sprite to that text using look_setText(sprite, lyricsstring)
• close the file closefile()

edit/ lua I/O reference

thanks for the help , really
for the first point "guessing the lyrics filename"
does this seems correct to you ?
$cut(%_path%,$sub($len(%_path%),$len(%_filename_ext%)))Lyrics\%_filename%.lrc

hmm how would u customize the titlebar to a certain color and change the rest of foobar to a diff color? like blue for the titlebar and silver for the seekbar, etc

in preferences/core disable
"enable user profil support"

I update foobar2K to 0.8.1 and I have trouble with my skin and the follow cursor don't work. Maybe follow cursor do not work becouse I'm using FooTunes. So I back to the 0.8.0 version


And on Polish forum someone have find little bug in my skin. So if someone wont to using my skin to fix this problem must delete line :

from sunset XXX.ski
Becouse the script volumeinfo don't exist and when skin is loading the console show warning of use undefined script. I have copied volume bar from other skin and I'm not using this script so I cut it but this line survive. (I guees from carbon.ski)

Sorry for this bug
I shot down console warning so I was not see this problem.

@melomane
this feature was already disabled
did you have this problem too ? and your suggestion worked with you ?




@hadda

really nice skin
a suggestion , maybe you could add the instruction in tooltips , that would be handy , no ?
good work

My new look has a horrizontal "drag to resize", but it doesn't use any textures. I'm not at home at the moment, but I can post it when I get back home (12th or something). It's not finished but you can have a look at it.
I personally don't need any vertical resizing untill danZ change the way playlist entries are implemented. One sprite per entry makes it hard/impossible to add more entries dynamically.

I'm not sure if this is the proper place for this, but I thought you could be interested.

It looks like Sonique is dying and some skinners are considering foobar/foo_looks as a possible alternative (see here).

I don't know if this is at all feasible, but there are very talented skinners in their community: perhaps danZ and/or tk32 could get in touch with some of them and land a hand.

Alessandro

for the old carbon script, anybody know how to make it so that the button brings up foobar?

i have the same problem, but only with "enable user profil support" checked with foobar 0.81, foolook 2.1 AND when foobar start on playlist other than the first!

with foobar 0.8 allway problem with foolook 2.1 but same behavour ("enable user profil support" checked AND foobar start playlist other than the first) with foolook 2 beta.

here some informations


uninstall foobar, delete config files and reinstall 0.81
use foolook 2.1 (not beta)
download foolook 2.1

uncheck "enable user profil support"

it work for me.

@tk32:
In danger of going on your nerves, are there any news about the graviton?
people keep asking me about news, because it was the reason, why they switched to foobar ^^

hi

i just got back from Easter Holiday/Vacation

and the first thing i did was talk with Dan Mauch (the graviton designer) about Graviton!

i'm planning an update very soon which will include progress bar control, shuffle/repeat modes & the mini winshade mode


sorry i've slowed down a lot lately - when i saw that everyone here was able to assist each other i calmed down a little

it's time to inject some new life into the fb2k skin community

i'm looking forward to seeing UpNorth's new skin

Thanks, i'd be pleased to see your code.
one sprite per entry is sure a problem, but at least it should be useful for resizing dynamically these sprites with long texts.

@Hadda : just ask if you'd like to post updates/fixes for your skin. Nice work. Just little suggestion : you could use tk32 progress bar, it's ready-to-use and has seeking feature (wich i miss in sunset)

Good to hear, welcome back!

(Hamallainen @ Apr 8 2004, 03:10 PM)

I did't have instructions in English when I send my skin. I wrote instruction only in Polish so I wrote in post quickly.


(carel @ Apr 11 2004, 01:10 AM)

I don't know why. I can seeking with left mouse click on information area . I can only put ther using mouse wheel. I take a look for this seeking feature. I will send fixed skin today with English instruction.

I have one faver to someone. If enyone can fix mistakes in my instruction beacouse I wont to update my skin and put instruction with no mistekes
Here is a Link
It can takes a 2-3 minutes someone. Please
......................................................................................................
I fix instruction by myselfe . I think if my instruction is understundeble

can somebody plz help me add that clicking on the close button with the right mouse button closes foobar, just clicking the close button closes the skin, making the skin always show elapsed time, and to make the button for opening/minimizing foobar work for carbon?

I'll have a look when I get home.

hi Hadda, i've uploaded your file :
Sunset_skin (updated)

and i added Hamallainen mod into HeaBside website : more informations, screenshots here

direct download here

@wanked : i've made a small quick-fix for carbon, link here(.ski only). hope it suits your needs. But there's an issue with closing foobar command if you use the latest foo_looksv2 beta. It works for me, maybe for you too...

Oooops sorry DocUK : i didn't read the whole thread, i missed your answer... well, maybe you'll find the modifications useful ?

thx guys, ill try it out

the closing part works great, but how can i edit it so that the button to open/minmize foobar works?

btw carbon doesnt work with 0.8.1 worked with 0.8
the skins two buttons, minimize and close show up as squares, the play pause and stop buttons when you hover also show up weird

how can i fix this?

In the 'lua togglefb2k' section, change the second fb2k_menuCommand to

OK thanks for the information , i had not realized it was was only when starting with a playlist different than the first one
and sorry i had not seen your post about this problem

I'm one of them!
yeah, sonique is quite dead by now: lycos fired the team, including the lone developper.
That was cool, "swooby". Good ol' times...


I'm a skinner, too (not "was", ok?). Not a very talented one, but i had some experience while skinning for sonique.

I haven't read all posts from this thread (almost none in fact), so i may rewrite things written.

I don't think tutorials are very very useful. They are boring (sorry for the writers), and the reader (me) often end by just copying the code.

Since skinning is more a copy-paste thing than a place where to develop features/effects, you'll need something close to the skinning engine (no need to switch from this app to that one), easy to modify & see, a quick access (no html code library).
The learning often begin with tweaking some other skins, not by having a school-like work that may seem too "professionnal", and so, hard to reach.
The more the skinning engine shows functions in a clear and complete way, the more the skinning become easy, the more skinners you'll have.
To have to check internet resources and skin sources to find a specific function is quite a waste of time, and if that's too long, a begginer would give up on foobar skinning.

So i made a reference remote/skin, see http://selsek.free.fr/eloker/sonique2.htm
Check the reference remote source.
It's a simple windows with buttons, each button open a new window, and each window show a skinning function (time, infos, playlist, colors...).
(i tried to put a template skin chere you just have to edit the jpg, but it had no success...)


About the plugin: it just uses too much cpu. The engine has very interesting features, but it's too slow on my k6-2 350. Even a static skin would use around 60% of my cpu.
Other skinning engines (sonique, winamp and qcd) have much less cpu usage.
(Ok, qcd one is too simple to be there).

Can you try to make code-only skins available as in sonique? That'd be a pretty good feature: no pic files, just a little code file and around 3 kb for a skin that can be beautiful.

I haven't looked much into the code, but there are interesting features from the sonique engine you may want to use:
-psd file support: no need to place the different rasters
-zip file support: better organization


Hope you'll find that useful.

I won't switch to foo_ui for now: too much cpu needed, will need to spend some time to get used to the code.

Just get the cpu usage down, and i may come here more often.

It's very interesting, and you should go on this project.
Since sonique is dying and winamp just have crappy or advertising "featured" skins (or at least, not so cool ones), you have the last skinning engine alive... and have to develop it.

Good luck to you. Good luck to sonique...

I don't know if you mean "available" as in "pre made" og as in "possible", but both would be true anyway. I use this approach myself as it makes it easier to code a resizable window, and I don't have to waste alot of time trying to accomplish something with Photoshop, as my graphics skills are very limited.

I posted a very simple 'look' with no graphics file, earlier in this thread and I will try to post the much improved (alpha) version soon. Someone also posted a game made this way, a while back.

Btw: I don't really know what Sonique has to offer, because I only tried it years ago and didn't like it. But I'm hoping to see some of these Sonique skinners head this way. I think it's about time someone push this plugin to it's limits (and beyond )

just to let everyone know, danZ & myself are still very much alive, and keeping an eye on this thread.

couple of things under development myself

ok, i'm interested to know if anyone has noticed any bugs or annoying features in any of my skins

i'm currently updating them all and would be interested to know any problems, as well as any suggestions for the skins i have developed so far.

thanks