out of curiousity, any estimates on the market demand for a hd-based portable that supports mpc?

Virtually nil I would think. How maybe people do you know personally that have:

A: Heard of MPC (other than through you)
B: Care nearly enough about sound quality

Not too many I should think .

hmm, I asked because, well, if I were at iriver or rio, I'd buy mpc and make it proprietary to my portable.

There is a chinese chip (dsp?) for standalones sold to OEMs that decode mpc... (sv7?) I wish there were some more details like the part name/model/number as to at least find out which players use it, since its pretty much a hidden feature. They said last time its sold in China only... I think the developer lurked here and made a pretty vague anounce of it

What about the portable players that support FLAC? Ogg Vorbis? And AAC may be a more corporate-minded push, but still it is a sound quality improvement.

I think portable Musepack development would be excellent. From what I understand (and I very well might be wrong), Musepack would require less memory & CPU than Vorbis requires? That at least should make it more developer-friendly for portables... and heck, there is already Vorbis support.

I'm pretty sure portable support for Ogg Vorbis (and FLAC, **huge lossless files!!**) was decried as just too much of a faraway dream to ever be realized.

Search function helps:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....ic=16096&st=0&&

That thread also concerns some issues that exist with MPC's legality. Personally after reading numerous threads about MPC and it's legal issues, I seriously doubt there will ever be portable support for it.

Vorbis = free and open source.
MPC = Free? and open source(recently).

Do companies who make DAPs want to hassle themselves with legalities of a literally unknown codec (outside HA)? I suppose a DAP with MPC support would support a niche market, but how big is the market for MPC? IMO its very, very small. I wouldn’t get hopes up for MPC support now, or ever.

And if you see said threads you will see some people that say Vorbis is actually pretty much in the same "legal" situation as mpc, unproven patent research, blah blah.

Just like the Chinese, i couldn't care the less. I know in my country any foreign "IP" won't hold a second. And we do get lots of chinese stuff.

In fact, we openly ignore any drug related "IP", if a medicine that can help a health problem in our pupulation exists elsewhere, we reproduce it, period. WTO/WIPO/FTAA can go cry into a corner in the USA. Yes, the Bush administration hates us very much...

Oh yes, it is possible to register locally a worldwide know name/trademark and give several headaches to the foreign multinational. Microsoft, Nintendo, Mc Donalds and others know this very well... Want me to register Xiph, Vorbis, Musepack, etc?

The point is, the world is not ruled by the same laws everywhere. Sometimes, research is stopped too much in certain places due to the artificial limits imposed by the enforcement of so called "intellectual property". It is a pointless waste of time arguing "legal status" unless you have an important commercial customer, but if you do, you can make that stupid patent research thing that only applies in those countries anyway.

So lets get back to topic and do not mention the "legal status" will you? Plenty of enough time wasted in these other threads already.

I agree with you. I agree with you when you say "and if you see said threads," meaning threads in the HA community. Outside the HA community, I believe the sentiment with vorbis is that it is free, open-source, and non-patented.



Ok. I live in the US. I guess I should have explained that. I'm not sure if I care about patents either, but the US patent office does.



Sorry I mentioned my reasoning behind why I belive MPC will not be successful with it's hardware support. I guess I should not post anything anymore because if I cannot post my opinion, why post at all? I guess you also didn't read the parts in my post that concerned clarifying information about the chip for you, and how I believe that there isn't a big enough market for MPC. BTW, isn't your whole post off topic and then you yell at me about how I just mentioned it(legalities of MPC)?

Dude, that is moronic. The legal status has everything to do with portable support. How more on-topic can you be than that?

Check my post on this thread dated Mar 27 2004, 09:20 PM.

Hopefully we will be able to write our own plugins for sophisticated portable devices soon.

Personlly,

I would like to see the MPC project regain momentum first. It is just about to do that too.

unfortunately, I assume that those devices are also flash memory - type devices. of course, you never know. maybe one day they'll stick a mini-hd in a palm pc.

Edit:
Dammit, first of April. I guess it is only a joke.
(every year i fall for things like that)

Vladi Kaminsky a "Sound Proccessing Specialist" from Lithuania successfully modded a firmware of a portable Mp3 Player in a way that it was able to playback MPC files via a modified MP2 Playback.
Unfortunately they dont write which Portable he used. Bu they contacted him and getting a modded device for testing purposes.

Source: http://www.mpex.net/news/archiv/00470.html (german)