I've had winamp plugin with id3tag v2 support!
this plugin was made by my friend Sergey Shopin (Sergey.Shopin@p78.f59.n5022.z2.fidonet.org)
I can upload this plugin. Anybody want it?

what format are you talking about?
mp3, mpc?
Anyway...hook it up.

of course mpc
i can read and understand forum's title

Why ID3v2? We have APE tags in MPC now, remember?

because we still use id3tag v2 and EAC writes id3tags

ID3v2 is not part of MPC. Use MPCencT or Mppenc 1.05k and you can directly write APE tags when encoding.

but I want use EAC and write id3tags v2. EAC is easy to use and powerful soft

Only use ID3v2 with MP3s where they belong. I don't want to explain reasons Nth time, search around.
Yes, EAC is easy and powerful, and with MPCencT or Mppenc 1.05k you can use proper tags (APE) directly when encoding. Easy setup guide is included with MPCencT readme.

well, another quetion, will smb write dll version of encoder like lame_enc.dll?

Yes, this is planned to be done. But it will take some time as quality tuning and other things are more important.

I think part of the reason people seem intent on using ID3v2 with MPC is because none of the more well-known tagging software, such as Tag&Rename, supports APE tags yet. In fact, ID3v2 support for MPC was one of the features recently added to Tag&Rename.

I have read the other threads in the forum that explain why ID3v2 is bad, but it seems that ID3 has sort of become the tagging standard despite all of its flaws.

I have been successful adding APE tags during encoding with MPencT, but my problem still remains adding or editing APE tags after encoding. With due respect to Case, I have not yet been able to get Tag/Tag Frontend to work. I have spent what amounts to several hours trying to figure it out, I have read the tag.txt and tag frontend.txt several times , but I am just not "getting it." Therefore, I've just been using ID3v1 with MPC.

This is really stupid from software authors. All developers of MPC have stated that ID3v2 doesn't belong even close to MPC files, yet they keep pushing it there.


If you wish to get Tag working you can always e-mail me details and I will help. I know Tag is not very user friendly, but with Frontend it shouldn't be too hard to use.
But you can always edit tags with Winamp plugin. I'm planning to add all the missing APE tag fields in there, but I haven't heard anything from anyone with win9x whether my unicode version works, so there won't be news in that section before I know things work like they should.

If i ever see ID3v2 tags in a (legally, of course...) downloaded MPC, somebody gonna get their ass whooped.

APE tagging in MPC is easier than ever (just browse this board section a bit). Also, with the new APE switches in the recent test versions (see here), i'm confident that we will have official APE tag support in EAC in one of the next versions. Until then, MPCencT works 100% for me. And if you need to change tags afterwards, Tag + Tag frontend is a great solution.

It's not that difficult. The readme helps a little bit, and if you'd like to know something else Case and Speek are here to help. You can also look in here, maybe it helps http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...=&threadid=2179

The only thing which you apparently can't do ATM is to control or view multiple APE tags because there are no tools for this task.

Well, it works almost perfectly for me (win98se).

I only have this one problem with Tag+Speeks frontend - sometimes it doesn't tag the artist field properly, it misses the first word. For example, if the artist is Project Mayhem it only tags Mayhem (it happens ONLY with the first track, the rest is always OK).

Sorry if I misunderstood your post but the unicode part I'm not sure will work in win9x is in Winamp MPC plugin 0.95a (available from my page).

This problem with Tag looks weird, can you tell which version of Tag you have and an example of such filename and the settings you used in frontend.

OK, I got the plugin. What am I supposed to look for? :-)
(file info doesn't work at all btw).

Tag: Version 2.0.3, Compiled 2002-06-06. I couldn't reproduce the problem though, but it happened to me few times before.

Front end settings: http://www.icpnet.pl/~q_ba/www/gfx/tag.gif

Also, with these settings, after tagging the whole album, one file gets it's name removed, only extension is left (ie: Project Mayhem.mpc -> .mpc).

I'll e-mail you if I figure out when exactly it happens.

Exactly that. Thank you. That's the part requiring UNICODE support. Now I need to figure out how to use Microsoft's Layer for Unicode with 9x.


It has something to do with your filenames as you use automatic filename scheme detector. If you can find one or all of the albums that exhibit this problem I would like to get the names of the files with problems and preferably also the path. That way I can figure what went wrong in autodetect or add your scheme to program's list.

Case wrote:

Since I have been using Tag&Rename, I did send a short email to the author regarding this, and mentioned some of the discussions here at HA.

I also remember coming across a post recently (from rjamorim, I believe) that mentioned a tagging format standard had not yet been decided for AAC, but I noticed at the Audiocoding.com site they have a program called ID3v2edit (http://www.audiocoding.com/id3v2edit.php) that "...can put a ID3v2 tag on every file type." Another example of people using ID3v2 when they shouldn't?

Also, Case, thanks for offering to help me via email. I may take you up on that, but I'll try "banging the gui" (as one of my programmer friends says) a little more and see if I can't get it worked out.

Ultimately, for me tagging of my MPCs is not that big of a deal yet. When I was listening to MP3s, I used to use MusicMatch. IMO, the best feature of that program was the ability to sort your files based on the different tag fields, irregardless of their directory structure. It made it easy create some cool and interesting playlists. Hopefully there will be something like that available for MPC soon that also uses APE tags.

Thanks, Rob

There won't ever be a standardized tagging system for AAC.

If you want to tag your AACs, you must wrap them in a MP4 container. The MP4 container uses the same tagging system as QuickTime .mov files. Unfortunately, there's no tool to work with this kind of tag yet.

Regards;

Roberto.

But that's kind of my point. Because there will never be a standardized tagging system for AAC (or other formats), people (ie., users, software authors and developers) will use ID3v2 because it already exists, whether or not it is the best solution to the problem. The AAC Winamp plug-in (Freeware AAC Decoder: Dec 28 2001 [in_aac.dll]) from Audiocoding.com allows the user to tag AAC files with ID3v2.

I guess what confuses me is that on one hand there are those who despise Id3v2 and say it should never be used, but there are the developers and software authors who go ahead and add ID3v2 functionality anyway. It doesn't make sense to me that they would add a feature to a piece of software that they have probably spent a significant amount of time developing that, according to many, essentially breaks it.

Rob

Yeah, I know. That's why Menno deserves to be shot. ;-D

Kidding, but, indeed, I dont't like that feature. It makes the newbies feel like tagging AAC is OK, and it surely isn't! It breaks compatibility with Hardware Players, with MPEG4ip (IIRC) and even with the winamp plugin itself! I remember some bizarre errors in files that had ID3v2 tags (Invalid Huffman codebook, etc.) that disappeared as soon as I ran ID3kill through them.

Bottom line: If you are reading this, please don't tag your AAC files. It would be for worse.

Regards;

Roberto.