Those of you who may be <64kbps Ogg experimentalists may want to consider checking out John33's OggDropXP, which has the downmix and resampling switches enabled, as well as a few other nifty features.

I've been getting encodes down to the mid 30's (kbps) suitable for modem streaming (downmix & resample), so streaming Vorbis is a reality for me at least, even before the optimisations. It sounds pretty reasonable too!

Get OggdropXP here:
http://rc55.grooblehonk.co.uk/users/rjamorim/index.html

Ruairi

Never be ashamed about self promotion

Is this an RC4 beta release, I have heard very encouraging words about it...cannot wait until it makes RC4.

Hehe, I didnt write OggDropXP... I do like it a lot though.

I'm sure in time dbPoweramp will be doing the same things if it isnt already. I like that app, Spoon!

It's not official RC4, however compiles are being marked as that currently. When RC4 does appear, rest assured we will know about it.

Ruairi

Thanks , good luck contracting...I am sure you will never look back

I tend to stay away from betas as much as I can, just going for stable releases - my plate is pretty full and my user base perhaps tends not to be the cutting-edge-crowd, rather joe-bloggs .

Huh... John33's compiles are being marked as [b]pre-RC4.

At least at my mirrors.

Where have you seen that?

From command.com, oggenc.exe :

C:>oggenc
OggEnc v0.95 (libvorbis rc4)
© 2000-2002 Michael Smith <msmith@labyrinth.net.au>

ERROR: No input files specified. Use -h for help.

The RC4 bit is the tricky part for the untrained eye.

Ruairi

Its been saying RC4 for some time now; since the addition of downmixing and resampling, but, it's not quite there yet.

... i started this discussion here.

Seriously....

Why OggDropXP and oggenc have different 'q' settings ?
I think 'cause it manages channel propreties (stereo/mono/multichan) not so well.

The streamable feature of Vorbis don't seems a priority yet.

Unfortunally some peoples (like me and rc55.... oh... what about BBC ??? ) needs thoose features now.

Even on video applications, like MPEG-4 & Vorbis, i haven't seen any experiment with speex for speak-channel...

What i definitly mean is that ogg/vorbis project needs a better co-ordination...

...am i wrong ?

From what I see, Xiph is concentrating on getting Ogg Vorbis out the door first. IIRC, Emmett Plant never heard of Speex when I mentioned it (!), so perhaps its a relatively small project in comparison.

Seeing as the Vorbis rc4 is soon, and 1.0 will probably be sometime before the end of the year. I don't really question Vorbis' progress because it always seems to be done in leaps and bounds.

Ruairi

PatchWorks wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean? The 'q' settings are the same and produce the same bitrates. In fact, they produce bit identical files; as they should since they use exactly the same library routines, etc.???