Right now I'm using Winamp with the equalizer off. When I turn it on, it sounds so flat. I've tried the Shibatch eq, but I couldn't tolerate the song changing bug. I really want my eq settings too. What is everyone using to listen to their Ogg encodes?

For listening only Cooplayer does a nice job.

dev0

I use Winamp with the latest Vorbis plug and no EQ. They sound great to me.

I use winamp with all of PP's updates. Sometimes Zinf, which I love, but it doesn't use vorbisgain. You can get Zinf here: http://www.zinf.org/.

Zinf is such crap. ( Xing Decoder for MP3???) Stick with Winamp with all of PP's updates which you can access easily here...sort by date, by the way, to get the latest.... http://www.blorp.com/~peter/zips/

when did I say I was using it to listen to MP3's?

I like free projects but it doesn't seem so Cool , almost with that skin...

I don't like neither the skin of winamp but who is using the original skin of it:D

Partly because of my ancient computer and partly because it's so fast, vertasile and lite, and especially since it has incorporated Winamp-plugins I tend to use 1by1.

Else Winamp.

I guess I’m missing something, but what all those plug-ins for? the new winamp 2.80 support Ogg...

It's just that ]Peter is the developer of the official WinAmp Vorbis plugin, and you can always get the latest updated versions from his site.

I use the original skin all the time.
That and maybe 4 other very basic music related skins.
But I pay more attention to how it sounds...than how it looks...

I use Winamp 2.80 with Peter's Vorbis plugin.

Well, winamp's lite version doesn't come with the vorbis plugin. And that's the version I use because I don't want/need all the other crap that comes with the standard/full version of winamp. So, I need to find the in_vorbis.dll at sites like Peter's. Cheers!

the in_vorbis.dll that came with winamp 2.8 didnt support vorbisgain for me, peter's version does. (i guess the 2.8 in_vorbis is an older peter's version as well?)

And, if you want to strip WinAmp from all the shit and download lite version, OGG is not included.

Shite, I should really check all the posts before replying

I was using the original winamp skin for the longest time until I tried the skins that come with the Hacked Classic msstyle. Nearly every other skin I've tried (somewhere in the range of a hundred before I gave up) leaves Winamp's windowshade mode unreadable above 1024x768, especially for the playlist's windowshade. The Watercolor skin is also very readable, and I'll use what when I'm using the Watercolor msstyle. If anyone has some skins of that caliber, let me know.

So do you guys using winamp not use the eq?

Nope. The built-in EQ is low-quality and introduces distortion.

If you want to use an EQ, use Shibatch's SuperEqu
http://shibatch.sourceforge.net

You can get a fast compile at my site (bottom of the post)

Regards;

Roberto.

Has anyone tried Media Jukebox (our product)?

It now supports the latest Ogg encoder. MJ has played Ogg files for more than a year and welcome any feedback. There is a new thread going right now on this:

http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/interact/Ne...=Descend&Page=0

Jim

Is there a fix for that bug where skipping areas of a song plays part of the previous spot?

Also what about the visualization not matching with the song?

Some sound card drivers can show this problem.

If you're getting distortion, it could be a problem with settings.

Version 8.0?

I get the problem when Shibatch is enabled, I don't when it's not. I've read somewhere else on this board that the bug is unavoidable and can't be fixed.

Also I don't understand how to use this equalizer. I can only lower the decibels on each frequency band.

I really want to use ogg with Winamp for its compatability and reliability, but because of its crap equalizer and shibatch being buggy it doesn't seem viable. I noticed Musepack had a seperate equalizer option in the decoder options. Think peter will do this as well?

I've been digging through stuff and found this thread.

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=85302

Wizard
Senior Member

Registered: Oct 2001
From:
Posts: 107

Hmmm, a new thought occured to me (well, actually it's an old one ). Some time ago, I posted if you could implement the "Fast Layer 3 EQ" from in_mp3 in in_vorbis too and you replied "in_vorbis now uses libvorbis in dll form so it's rather impossible to do such thing unless they implement it on libvorbis side". Now that libvorbis.dll is gone, how does that idea seem? Easy, difficult, pointless, bloated, cool?

edit: typos

peter
Bastard Developer

Registered: May 2000
From: Hell
Posts: 3303
well, the idea is cool, *but*:
- people will prolly use SuperEQ DSP anyway, modern CPUs handle it fine
- working with algorithms makes my head hurt, i'd need someone who knows this stuff better to do the job anyway
- i'm trying to use non-bastardized libvorbis (for easy updates), and EQ requires changes in libvorbis

So basically peter doesn't find this important enough to change. One of the main reasons I chose Ogg over Mpc was because now that Winamp supported Ogg by default, I could send ogg files to friends (who most likely don't even know how to download codecs but have winamp). Now if I send them ogg files, I'll have to go through:

Me: Oh yeah, this is an ogg file, it's like mp3 but better. You can use winamp to play it.

/me sends ogg file.

Him: Wow this sounds super flat and shitty. I think I'll stick to mp3.

Me: But it's because you have the eq enabled, disable the eq.

Him: So now you're saying I can't listen to these "ogg" files with eq?!

Me: Well that's not true, you can download the super shibatch EQ plug in for winamp.

Him: It's okay man, mp3 is fine for me.

Me: Come on just try it please?!

(I'll assume he knows how to install codecs to save some typing)Him: Okay I downloaded it and installed it.

Him: Wait, how do I work this thing, it's weird and huge. Why does my visualization not match the song? Why does everytime I skip to a different song or play another song I get a sound byte from the previous spot? Screw ogg, I don't even know why I'm wasting my time.

Me: Use a different player!

Him: Like what?

Me: Try CoolPlayer

Him: I like my winamp skin and the ability to save presets.

Me: But ogg sounds soooooo much better!!!

Him: It's not worth it.

If the fast layer 3 eq was implemented, the conversation would have looked like this.

Me: Oh yeah, this is an ogg file, it's like mp3 but better. You can use winamp to play it.

/me sends ogg file.

Him: Wow this sounds a little cleaner cool. Know where I can download an Ogg encoder?

Another ogg fan is created.

Fast Layer 3 eq for Vorbis is so much more important than most people think. Even if Shibatch EQ worked perfectly, that would mean another download to listen to your ogg files optimally with eq. That extra download is an extra step, and for any newbie, an extra step can mean giving up.

It almost seems ogg has no more big advantages anymore. Mp3 owns all in compatability. Mpc owns in raw quality. I used to think Ogg was a good mixture of compatability and quality, but now it just doesn't seem worth it.