Taken from kuro5hin.org:



and then:

(check out the above website for more infos)


Hey... i really want VAD !

You might notice that this story was posted in April, and was discussed on HA at the time.

Also, if you read more than the first few lines, you'll notice what he says the problem is:



Well, we now *have* a spec, and a very well written one -- the release of Vorbis 1 was even delayed by a week so it could be improved.

Summary: problem solved.

Thanks a lot...
I know the story was a bit outdated... just curiosity.

But there's always somebody wants to rain on your parade - note the warning in the last paragraph of this article .

We all thought jpeg was untouchable !!

It was encouraging to see the BBC trialling Ogg Vorbis for streaming, they seemed to be having some success but suddenly dropped it and although there has been no official explanation as to why, - rumour has it there were concerns about patent issues.

Convincing the commercial world of the patent-free status of Vorbis could prove to be a harder task than it's development, but of course I hope I'm wrong.


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They convinced AOL. How much bigger can you go?

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Nope. The BBC set up experimental Vorbis streams for a trial period. The trial period ended, and so did the streams. In fact, several of the streams carried on after the trial period, due to the persuasive nature of the listeners .

There are *no* concerns about patent issues. Two seperate teams have researched the issue, and found no relevant patents. Almost all the code in Vorbis is based on 50 year old research.

I forget where I read it, but there are those who believe, that with so much ($$$) at stake, Fraunhofer will, the *moment* vorbis approaches anywhere *near* critical-mass status (or even appears to be a viable contender), will file for patent-infringement just for spite. They probably have enough financial clout to make life miserable for all of us.

Even though such a lawsuit would likely be based on pure bulls--t, it could create a cloud of doubt and worry in the minds of any smaller independent manufacturer contemplating the inclusion of vorbis into its product(s).

There are some who believe Elvis is alive.

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ELVIS IS DEAD?!?

It wouldn't be the first time. :sign:

Note that if FhG sues (they've been doing the 'we think it's unlikely they don't infringe' thing since rc1 or so) *and* loses they've irreversably given their biggest competitior a big push and confirmed that Vorbis is indeed free of patents. At that point, there is no return.

On the other hand, they can keep 'we'll sue them' FUD as long as they don't actually sue. It costs nothing and if it doesn't work they can still sue if desperation sets in.

I think it was Monty that said that he would actually *like* to be sued by FhG at this point.

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There are some who believe Elvis is alive.

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Thank you, thank you very much.

LOL ! GOOD ONE JON !!

To Garf, Super Moderator:

>>> There are some who believe Elvis is alive.

Well, Garf - one has to look ahead, or at least try to. You needn't wade through the large article here -- http://www.tnl.net/newsletter/2001/vorbis.asp , *but*, therein it says,

"......analysts say Thompson and the Fraunhofer Institute are likely to file patent lawsuits the moment Vorbis appears to be a viable market candidate. By creating a perception of uncertainty around Vorbis' future, MP3's parents could prevent conservative digital music companies from adopting."

(And presumably potential hardware developers too).

I hope *very much* it never comes to that, but I don't trust anyone with the financial clout of Fraunhofer who might want to crucify any 'upstart codec' who would dare to "rain on their parade".

Oh my living g-a-w-w-d.....what is this ???

http://www.realnetworks.com/company/press/.../2002/xiph.html

Since Real Networks potentially put their head on the chopping block by recently going open source, things have certainly been happening !!!

Real, one-time vorbis contender, now partner? (okie-dokie) This one will probably require a whole new thread.....

As I said, it's pure FUD. Vorbis would *like* to be sued by FhG at this point. They *know* they will win and it gets them huge publicity. As long as FhG doesn't actually sue they can keep spewing out FUD like that and some people will fall for it.

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You mean the Winamp plugin ??........ that's the only association I can find.

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Yes. Before the plugin was allowed into the official distribution, AOL's lawyers did their own patent search on Vorbis and eventually agreed that Vorbis was free of patents.

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I can never understand the cryptic biz-speak in these press releases, everything is expressed in terms of 'driven empowerment'.

Does this announcement mean that Real are going to promote Vorbis at the expense of their own codec ? If not what does it mean ?

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yea, i heard he is working on a new album.
producers promised a duet with kylie minouge :crystal: .

:eyebrow: that would be something to see.

This is kinda late in the discussion, but concering Ogg Vorbos "issues" I guess implemention for developers is not one of them. I had been making subtle hints on a gaming forum whenever the request for MP3 playback came up that they should look at Ogg too. Lo and behold, the main developer thinks he might skip the MP3 support and go staright to Ogg because he said it would be easy to do. Pardon if it seems like I'm blowing my own horn...

It's been beaten to death on Slashdot.

http://slashdot.org/articles/02/07/24/203247.shtml?tid=141

Don't know what it means, but anytime somebody says they are going to start supporting Ogg, I smile, even though I know there is some corporate greed behind it.

as long as the corporate greed eventually translates into better sounding audio at a smaller size file, and/or slightly cheaper pricing for the product (or more $ going to the actual developers). Then all is good.