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Tired of telling newbies to read the FAQ ? :sleeping:


Tired of analyzing super-wizz-disco-light command lines like -V0 -ms --nspsytune -mj --vbr-mtrh -q0 --nssafejoint --vbr-old --dm-preset standard --r3mix --vbr-new -h -V4 -b96 --lowpass 19.5 --athtype 2 --ns-sfb21 9 -B 224 --athlower 10 --ath-adjust 2 --cwlimit 22000 --ns-bass 10 -q5 --ns-alto 5 --adapt-thres-type 2 --ns-treble 2 -scale 0.95 -Z -Z -Z -Z -Z -Z ?

Tired of trolls pretending that CBR 192 MS is far superior to --alt-preset standard ?


Link them to the







More than one thousand forum messages.


Pre-researches
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06/19/01
More problems samples , drop outs, pre echo etc (27)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=992919609

06/29/01
--Nssafejoint and velvet (and nspsytune) (14)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=993814084

06/18/01
Audible drop outs/chirping with VBR (97)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=992816898

06/29/01
About ATHadjust giving poor 3.89 results (52)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=993850003

06/29/01
Average results with --nspsytune & --nssafejoint (88 )
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=993815933

07/02/01
Tests, tests, and more tests... (19)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=994058298

07/11/02
Gravelly sound with --nspsytune and CBR 128 (30)
http://AudioFora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=994863911

07/18/01
Lower bitrates with --nspsytune and --nssafejoint (57)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=995409709

07/17/01
"-Y" makes a noticeable difference in quality (22)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=995344708

07/22/01
Listening test challenge results ! (67)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=995784351

07/24/01
Robert about "the 16 kHz brick wall" (43)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=996003969

The --dm-presets
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07/20/01
--nspsytune and --nssafejoint vbr presets.. (42)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=995617861

08/08/01
new vbr-mtrh improved a lot (108 )
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...y&num=997304146

09/12/01
Archival quality test - Analysis (82)
http://audiofora.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board...&num=1000315938

The --alt-presets
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10/01/01
New very hard to encode test sample (4)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...p?s=&postid=676

10/07/01
Updated --dm-preset switches (31)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=131

10/12/01
safe, theoretical best archive quality with VBR (20)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=171

10/25/01
Preliminary Results from Non-Linear Psymodel Patch... (2)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=238

10/30/01
VBR-MTRH and Dibrom's new compile (2)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=269

11/01/01
Upcoming changes to the --dm-preset's (32)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=275

11/09/01
Upcoming changes to --dm-presets - Part 2. (145)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=305

12/01/01
rev7 stuff (68 )
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=411

12/14/01
Update to the --dm-presets now in the Official L.A.M.E. (31)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=466

12/14/01
Rev8 quick test (14)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=467

12/15/01
New LAME revision (rev8b) (8)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=479

12/18/01
More LAME Updates... (Updated : ) (6)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=508

12/22/01
3.90 stable and alt extreme ? (4) Bitrate result of the above

Update :
Changed the "Born/grew up/fine tuned" parts to "pre researches (anyone with a better english title ?) / dm presets / alt presets " following JohnV's word about all the dm stuff having nothing to do with the alt presets.

I gathered these links for the sake of scientific bibliography.
I had the feeling, seeing posts with clumsy command lines answered by "read the Faq", that we could no more provide a scientific proof of the quality of the alt presets, and might loose our credibility RTFF after RTFF.
Now, the proof is archived and linked !

Of course, very few, if any, people is going to read all those messages.
It seems the --nspsytune and --nssafejoint vbr presets.. can give an account of the dm presets, while the three last links could cover the alt presets themselves.

That would be 4 links covering more closely the alt presets devlopment, what do you think ?

Well, IMO there's not much about --alt-preset genesis if we are talking about standard,extreme and insane profile.
It ends to REV7 although that's where the --alt-preset practically started..

With 5min search here are some threads in order to see how --alt-presets really developed: Rev8,8b,9,9a,10, rev10 APFS problem etc.. There are probably lots more..

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=466
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=467
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=468
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=479
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=498
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=507
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=508
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=526
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=529
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=549

I know there are lots more. I saw them in r3mix and here, but I didn't kept them.
In summer 2001, quite every thread in r3mix.net was about tweaking Lame presets. I only kept the ones where the technical points were discussed, or where listening tests were made. It took me more than 5 minutes, I'd say between 2 and 5 hours to gather the links in the first post.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=466

OK

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=467

Technical infos about the differences between the compiles, OK

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=468

Nothing about improvements here, mostly a discussion about the presets in the dll. And a word about rev8b and rev8c without any explanation. Not worth.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=479

OK

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=498

A false alert, the sample posted had been encoded with MAD auto attenuation. Nothing audible when encoded properly. Irrelevant.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=507

About including ABR presets in the DLL. Nothing about the presets themselves.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=508

OK

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=526

Fast standard fix and discution, OK

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=529

Just rev10, and some repetitions about the differences between compiles. OK

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=549

Result of thread 508, OK
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I updated the post with all the "OK" links.
Now the number of posts linked is 1187

By the way, I locked all linked threads at r3mix.net, maybe you should lock all the HA ones too.
People could answer them.

If you read closely, this "update to the --dm-presets in Lame" is actually the announcement that --alt-presets have been included in Lame.

It says



Were those "modifications" already in rev7, or is it an annoucement of new improvements made while the rev7 was included into Lame ? Or maybe are you saying that these improvements were already announced in a previous link ?

As for the title, I just cut'n pasted the subject of all threads.

All links are dead.

Audiofora is offline, and HydrogenAudio has moved.

No, it's just hidden now... http://www.audiofora.com/yabbse/index.php

They could have informed their own moderators