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maniktushar
Is it possible to mux mpc encoded audio and xvid encoded video into an avi or something. How an I do this??

What platers or codec will be required to view such avi files, I mean which codec should be installed for decoding this mpc.

Will i yield good results
Jan S.
MPC is not currently supported by any container as avi, mkv.
maniktushar
So like is there *NO* way to do this coz this will really improve quality of audio and keep the video good too. Pls could u tell me when this could be available or is there any beta version of some container that I could use
rjamorim
By the format's creator decision, current version of MPC won't be muxable with video.

MPC Stream Version 8 is supposed to enable muxing, but nobody knows when it will be released, if ever.
xmixahlx
or sv7.5 or "anything released if frank gets a chance" version
Adie
QUOTE(maniktushar @ Oct 21 2004, 07:22 PM)
So like is there *NO* way to do this coz this will really improve quality of audio and keep the video good too. Pls could u tell me when this could be available or is there any beta version of some container that I could use
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When encoding video people mostly use bitrates around 128kbits. MPC was made to improove quality at higher bitrates. Even if MPC would be muxable it won't be popular. Also movie tracks are not so demanding for quality. Better choice here are vorbis and aac - these have better quality at bitrate around 128 comparing to mp3. Also both of them allows low bitrates around 64kbits (low quality like 22khz).
xmixahlx
QUOTE(Adie @ Mar 17 2005, 01:00 PM)
When encoding video people mostly use bitrates around 128kbits.

that's a guess
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MPC was made to improove quality at higher bitrates.

it wasn't made to "improove" or even improve quality at higher bitrates - by design it targets transparency and does so at a very low bitrate (~180).
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Even if MPC would be muxable it won't be popular.

it would provide the highest quality audio >128kbps. only low bitrate (ogg,aac) would be the other viable option and missing the goal of musepack - transparency.
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Also movie tracks are not so demanding for quality. Better choice here are vorbis and aac - these have better quality at bitrate around 128 comparing to mp3. Also both of them allows low bitrates around 64kbits (low quality like 22khz).

i don't agree. and anyone else doing a straight ac3 rip won't agree with you, either.


later
ChristianHJW
My very own tests with MPC were showing clearly, that it would be perfect for high-quality video rips. I can't remember what encoding profiles i was using, but because of Frank's agressive PSY model it turned out that audio tracks of movies were using a lot less bitrate than real music, using the same profile, maybe because there are more silent scenes in it and Frank once told me that his PSY models will react more strictly than those of other encoders in such situations, and will cut the bandwidth down significantly.

The problem of missing MPC muxing into matroska is not so much a problem of Frank's decision against that, but more like a real technical problem, as you cant determine block boundaries in current MPC SV7 framing, and that will completely defeat our needs for proper muxing.

In layman's terms, we could fiddle the MPC track into MKV 'somehow', and the file would play nicely, but as soon as somebody would dare to edit the file and cut it into pieces ( which is normally easily possible with every proper video file ), the audio could get lost totally as parts of the audio for one piece might be in the other part, and vice versa.

For this very reason, we decided TOGETHER ( this was not merely Frank's decision ) in the team, to stay away from SV7 as long as it will get another framing. That's a real pitty IMO, i guess i would use it for most of my rips, sound freak as i am sad.gif ....

Christian
matroska project admin
http://www.matroska.org

P.S. On the other hand, using the original AC3 track is also a nice option for most DVD's wink.gif ....

Unnamed
Many players have a feature to "attach" audiofile to avi now playing. All we need is to install radlight mpc dshow decoder and place .mpc-audio near avi. What about this solution?
Vertigo
QUOTE(Unnamed @ Mar 20 2005, 11:40 PM)
Many players have a feature to "attach" audiofile to avi now playing. All we need is to install radlight mpc dshow decoder and place .mpc-audio near avi. What about this solution?
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I got a half-chubb just thinking about that. Couldn't you use the Matroska container to make the video stream, then package a mpc file in there and tell it to play both at the same time? Also, with some WMV files, you can't move it's position, aka you have to play with pause/ff/rewind/skipping...couldn't this be done with a xvid/mpc combo in a matroska container? I know this could cause issues with syncing...but I could careless if I can get it to function.
Chez_Wimpy
QUOTE(Adie @ Mar 17 2005, 12:00 PM)
Also movie tracks are not so demanding for quality. Better choice here are vorbis and aac - these have better quality at bitrate around 128 comparing to mp3.
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There is one instance where MPC would be very popular; encoding music videos. If you are ripping, often times music video DVDs will include LPCM audio tracks (not just AC3/'DTS), so indeed MPC would be the ideal for tranparency.
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